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He is a descendant of Colonel E. H. Taylor Jr. who once owned the distillery now known as Buffalo Trace and made Old Taylor bourbon.   In this interview, Hay explains the Taylor family genealogy. He describes Colonel Taylor's personality, his career, and his status as a public figure. Hay discusses Colonel Taylor's contributions to the industry, including his advocacy of the government regulation of bourbon. He also explains how Colonel Taylor's legacy and name live on. Hay talks about how Taylor's whiskey fortune enabled his descendants to build a historic home at Scotland Farm which is still owned and maintained by the Taylor family. (summary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["Colonel E. H. Taylor","Commodore Richard Taylor","Ancestry","Lineage","Family history","Scotland Farm (Ky.)","Frankfort (Ky.)","Childhood","Marketing."]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Whiskey (local term)","Distillers. (local term)","Kentucky--Politics and government (local term)","Whiskey industry--Kentucky (local term)","Distilleries--Kentucky (local term)","Genealogy. (local term)","Taylor, E. H. (Edmund Haynes), Jr., 1830-1923 (local term)","Inheritance and succession. (local term)","Families. (local term)","Alcohol--Law and legislation (local term)","Bourbon whiskey (local term)","Quality of products. (local term)","Buffalo Trace Distillery. (local term)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries.","Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, Special Collections and Digital Programs, University of Kentucky Libraries."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["00048051 (2009oh248_bik013_hay_ohm.xml)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Duration"]},"value":{"en":["01:07:47"]}}],"summary":{"en":["E. H. Taylor Hay Jr., originally from California, has spent most of his life in Kentucky. He is a descendant of Colonel E. H. Taylor Jr. who once owned the distillery now known as Buffalo Trace and made Old Taylor bourbon.   In this interview, Hay explains the Taylor family genealogy. He describes Colonel Taylor's personality, his career, and his status as a public figure. Hay discusses Colonel Taylor's contributions to the industry, including his advocacy of the government regulation of bourbon. He also explains how Colonel Taylor's legacy and name live on. Hay talks about how Taylor's whiskey fortune enabled his descendants to build a historic home at Scotland Farm which is still owned and maintained by the Taylor family."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries.","Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, Special Collections and Digital Programs, University of Kentucky Libraries."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Louie B. 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Today we're interviewing E.H.  Taylor\nHay Jr.  Today's date, October 20, 2009.  This is part of the Buffalo\nTrace Oral History Project, and we are here at the Buffalo Trace\nDistillery.  First of all, Taylor, thank you so much for taking time\nout to talk with us.\n \nHAY: You're certainly welcome.\n \nTROLAND: Let's begin with having you tell me just a little bit about\nyourself.\n \nHAY: Um, well, I was born in San Diego, California, in 1930, so, uh,\ntoday is, um, 2009.  So I'll be eighty years old in about five months,\num, so I've been around a while, uh, because some of the stories\nI'm going to refer to go way back into the thirties and I was alive\nthen.  Um, I went from San Diego, California, to Los Angeles; from\nLos Angeles to Scotland Farm where my grandmother lived, she was a\ngranddaughter of Colonel E. H. Taylor Jr., and I was there when I was\nfive for a year and then I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"went back to Chicago--no, I went back to\nL.A.  and then came back in 1938 when I was eight years old and lived\nfor another year at the old, it's, we call it an old mansion or a\nmanor house or whatever you want to call it, um, big old twenty-room\nhouse.  It's still there, and my brother still lives there.  Um,\nthe, uh, from there, I went to Chicago and, uh, was, uh, lived like\nEloise in a private club on Jackson Boulevard right down on the loop\non the fifteenth floor, and, uh, I had a lot of good stories to tell\nthere, and I went to a private school up north off Lincoln Park where\nI was the--there were three in my Spanish class, uh, six or seven\nin my history class.  You might call it a place for, um, people that\nneeded special attention.  (laughs) It was one of those schools where\nyou got out of there, you automatically ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"skipped freshman English at\nNorthwestern.  Um, so anyway, to make a long story short I went from\nthere, uh, back to Scotland Farm when I was fourteen which is the farm\nthat, uh, Colonel Taylor, the last drop of the Old Taylor Whiskey money\nbought for my grandmother or my--yeah--and, um, uh, from there I went,\num, to school at Virginia Military Institute in Virginia and, um, from\nthere I went into the Air Force.  I was married and, um, stayed in the\nAir Force a couple of years, then I came back, went to Indianapolis\nand then full circle, I came back to Louisville and stayed there for\nthirty-six years.  And for the last fifteen I've been right back here\nat the foot of the Buffalo Trace Distillery, uh, which was my great-\ngreat grandfather's, Colonel E. H. Taylor Jr.\n \nTROLAND: What about Scotland Farm? Where is Scotland Farm?\n \nHAY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, uh, I think back in the old days there might have been a\ntrail back there, but, uh, Scotland Farm is about five miles out of the\ncenter of Frankfort before they moved the city limits out to pick up\nthe hogs and chickens because it was always a population in Frankfort\nof 11,600 people and then all of a sudden they moved the city limits to\ncount all the chickens and hogs so they went up to twelve or thirteen\nthousand--(laughs)--you know, to be major, a major place.  Um, they,\num, my great-grandfather, um, Swaggart Taylor who is the son of Colonel\nTaylor inherited five-sixteenths of his fortune, and, uh, I went down\nto the courthouse in Frankfort to see if there was a will down there\nand there was.  There was a one-page will made by Colonel Taylor,\nand this very simply said--he had eight children--very simply said,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um, uh, \"I'm dividing my estate into sixteenths, and, uh, each one of\nyou will have, uh, one-sixteenth\"--so that would be seven-sixteenths,\nsomething like that--and, um, but, um, \"Swaggart will get the remainder\nbecause if it weren't for him, I would not have made another fortune\nthat I could leave to you children.\" So consequently, uh, Swaggart\nTaylor, uh, inherited the bulk of his fortune which was mostly in land,\nsome cash, and, uh, a lot of properties around town.  For instance,\nTanglewood up in the hills was part of the property.  They had a lot\nof property overlooking the capital.  Um, some say that Colonel Taylor\ngave the, uh, new capitol the ground on which to build which is another\nstory we'll talk about, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and, um, so in 1923, Swaggart Taylor took his\ninheritance and bought Scotland Farm for his daughter, my grandmother,\nMary Bell Taylor Hay who is the granddaughter of Colonel Taylor, and he\nbought that farm for them.  It was 650 acres at the time, and, um, my\ngrandfather loved horses.  And, uh, so they built these big, beautiful\nbarns.  They were classic barns--they're still there--and went into\nthe racehorse business.  Again, it's a tangent but it's interesting\nbecause he became one of the top, um, uh, racetrack management people\nin the United States, and he managed Washington Park in Chicago, the\nFair Grounds in New Orleans, one in Cuba, one in Oklahoma--I'm not sure\nwhether it was when Remington was still there or not then--and, uh, he,\nhis friends were Al Capone, uh, Jack ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dempsey and they used to visit the\nfarm.  And Al Capone boarded horses there until my grandmother found\nout about it and sent them back.  She didn't like it.  And, uh, so that,\nthat's a tangent, but that, uh, farm when I went there when I was five\nwas actually almost a living museum for Colonel Taylor.  The reason--\nand I figured this out when I saw some of the old photographs of parties\nthat Colonel Taylor used to give because he was a wonderful party\ngiver--all of his furniture had been moved from Thistleton which was\noutside of Frankfort, an old Victorian home, to Scotland Farm; gorgeous\nstuff that you would see in the, and some of it, the same stuff's in\nthe Art Institute in Chicago of the period furniture, the Victorian and\nwhatever it was.  And, uh, on almost every wall was a, uh, a painting\nof Colonel Taylor or a photograph, and, uh, in the library right now\nthere's a photograph of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colonel Taylor when he was younger with a long\nbeard and in the dining room there is a portrait of Colonel Taylor when\nhe's older and upstairs in the upstairs hall there are photographs.\nAnd, uh, so he--I don't like the word permeated because that's sort\nof a negative word--he graced Scotland Farm with his presence, and\nwhen I went there when I was five, he had only been dead thirteen years\nand the stories--and I remember the stories--that they told of Colonel\nTaylor which we can talk about later.  Um, but they, my Aunt Eugenia,\nmy grandmother's daughter, and Granny used to tell stories.  I rarely\nsaw my grandfather, um, uh, C.W.  Hay because he was always on the\nracetracks, and he was, uh, away most of the time.  Uh, he was a very\nlovely man, and I remember him very well.  I only knew him when I was\nfive. So, uh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's pretty much where it comes from in there. I know\nyou have some questions for me.  Do your questions.\n \nTROLAND: So Scotland Farm, then, is the place where you lived in the\nearly years of your life.  Is that correct?\n \nHAY: When I was five, when I was eight and then from fourteen on because\nthen my mother--when, in 1939, my grandmother died and my grandfather\ndied in 1936, uh, and so my father, uh, was going to buy a distillery\nbut he took the money he had saved all of his younger life to buy a\ndistillery so he could be in the distilling business and, instead,\nbought Scotland Farm which is the old, old, big old house.  Old--what\ndo you call it? Georgian.  It was Greek Revival.  It's a Georgian house\nwith the big columns, which you call Greek Revival, and it's one of\nthe finest examples of it in Kentucky.  It's in all the coffee table\nmagazines--and so, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, I was there, uh, from fourteen on, fifteen on\nbecause my mother moved down from Chicago when my brother was born and,\num, opened it up and started keeping house there.  And so, uh, I had\nbeen living with my grandmother in Frankfort, uh, downtown, and, um,\nuh--my other grandmother on my mother's side--and I moved out there to\nthe farm again.  So it was off and on my home from a very young time\nuntil I left home.\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where, where is, tell exactly where it is, Scotland\nFarm.\n \nTROLAND: Yeah.  Where is Scotland Farm?\n \nHAY: Uh, Scotland Farm is, uh, at the intersection, now, the\nintersection of Route 60 and I-64.  Um, it's the only undeveloped\ncorner so it's very easy to see, and when the leaves fall off the trees\non your way to Lexington on I-64, if you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cross 60 or turn left onto 64,\nimmediately look to your right and within just about five counts you're\ngoing to see the old house sitting back there looking over what used to\nbe the land that was the farm.\n \nTROLAND: Is that the house that you occupy now or--\n \nHAY: No.  Uh, my brother's lived there all of his life.  He was born in\nChicago in 1944, and, uh, Mother moved down while he was still a little\nbaby.  And he was only gone for three years out of his life.  He's--I\nhate to say this because, um, uh, I don't know whether he likes to\nknow his age--but he's sixty-five years old.  He's lived there for\nsixty-five years, and he is still there in the house by himself and he\nhas a lot of friends and, um, very social; doesn't have a family.  He's\nnever married.  He, uh, um, if you looked at it from thirty feet away,\nhe looks like he's thirty years old, and, um, he's a delightful man.\nHe, um, very social, very helpful for a lot of other people, and, uh,\nhe keeps the house in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good shape. And my sister, from Chicago, comes\ndown and visits.  Uh, we inherited the, uh, the farm, my brother and my\nsister and I, uh, and the old house, um, back in 1995, I believe, uh,\nwhen my father died, and so it's a, uh, thing that we have there for a\nfamily center.\n \nTROLAND: Let's trace your lineage from E.H.  Taylor Jr.\n \nHAY: Okay.  Well, I can go back a little further, um, to Commodore\nRichard Taylor who was not \"Commodore\" at the time that he fought with\nGeorge Washington, but he was the, he was the, uh, commander of the\nVirginia fleet who harassed the British and tried to keep them from,\nuh, uh, helping out, uh, uh, the soldiers.  And, uh, but he had the\nsame rank as George Washington at the time, but he was the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commander\nof the Virginia fleet and George Washington, of course, was fighting on\nland.  And after the war, 1798, he was given, um, five thousand acres\nas a land grant in Kentucky outside of Louisville, Kentucky.  Now, um,\nI don't, I don't know whether synchronicity might be the word but I, I\nthink it could be, but I was in the development business in Louisville\nfor, uh, thirty years.  I developed land, put in roads, uh, designed\nand built homes, uh, and also had a real estate brokerage company, and\nthe last, uh--I always admired this wonderful piece of land out towards\nCincinnati on Route 42.  It was a gorgeous piece of land with a big\nforest, about a forty or fifty-acre forest.  It was 165 or so acres\nof land, and I thought, \"Someday I would love to be able to buy that,\nlive there and develop it and share it with other people.\" Well, sure\nenough ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 1990--no--1974, I bought the land, moved out there, built a\nhouse, lived in a grove of trees and, uh, developed it, and one day,\na guy named, um--I can't remember his name now.  He had an engineering\nfirm in, uh, Louisville--he said, \"Taylor?\" I said, \"Who's this?\" He\nsaid, \"So and so.\" And I said, \"Well, what do you want?\" He said, \"I\nunderstand you're good at placing where a home should go,\" and I said,\n\"Yeah.  I am.  Uh, been doing it for a long time.\" And he said, uh,\n\"I'm going to build a home out on my property which is behind yours.\nI've got four hundred acres back there, that are on the river,\" and\nsaid, uh, \"I'll pick you up sometime and show it to you.  You tell me\nwhere I should build my house.\" So I went out there with him one day,\nand, um, we were driving and I showed him where I thought he ought\nto build his house.  He said, \"That's an interesting thing.  You, you\ndecided to build it exactly ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where the previous, the original owner\nwas.\" I said, \"Well, that's very interesting.\" So we were driving down\nthis ridge, and he said, \"Now there's a historical site down there.\nIt's a graveyard.  Do you want to go down and look at it?\" I said,\n\"Yeah.  Let's go down and look at it.\" Well, I went down there--it gets\nchills in me when I talk about it--and I was standing there with an iron\nfence, and it was all taken care of by the DAR, there was the grave of\nCommodore Richard Taylor.  As it turned out, that five thousand acres\nthat he got included the land I bought and developed.  And so Commodore\nRichard Taylor lived there in, from 1798 on, and, um, uh, his brother,\nuh, I read a copy of a letter.  He said, \"Dear, Dickey\"--Richard,\nCommodore Taylor--he said, \"Dear Dickey,\" he said, uh, \"How do you like\nit in Kentucky?\" And he said, \"You know, they gave me five thousand\nacres out there, too\"--because he was another general or something--\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and, um, uh, he said, um, um, \"Mine's, mine's five thousand acres, uh,\nthat takes in a place called Harrod's Creek.  Is that any, is that\nnice land?\" (laughs) Well, it's one of the fanciest neighborhoods in\nLouisville now.  And so anyway, uh, Commodore Taylor had two sons named\nRichard.  One was, um, his, uh, with his wife, Elizabeth, the other was\nwith another woman, uh, who he wasn't married to, and Commodore Richard\nTaylor, uh, brought him home--this other Richard--and asked his wife\nwould she raise him, too? And she said, \"Of course.\" And one was named\nBlack Dick because he had very dark complexion--he was a very powerful\nman--and the other one was named Hopping Dick, and Black Dick was, uh,\nuh, the, the legitimate side which I come from, naturally--(laughs)--\n \nTROLAND: I'm relieved to know ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.\n \nHAY: Hopping Dick was called Hopping Dick because he had been shot in\nthe leg during one of the Indian wars, but if--but President Harding--I\nthink it was Harding--said, \"If I had to storm the gates of hell, I\nwould ask Richard Taylor to lead the charge,\" and that was Hopping\nDick.  So anyway, those were the two sons.\n \nTROLAND: These are the two sons of Colonel Richard Taylor?\n \nHAY: Of Commodore Richard Taylor.\n \nTROLAND: Or Commodore Richard Taylor.  Yes.\n \nHAY: Now Hopping Dick--or Black Dick, uh, because of the dark complexion\nand, uh, they were both very powerful men, uh, became, um, uh, very\ninfluential in Virginia and places like that.  And then Colonel\nTaylor, that was his great-great grandfather.  See, I think it's, I\nthink Commodore Taylor's my triple-great, uh, if I have to guess.  I\ncould be wrong on that, uh, but I think he's my great-great-great.  So\nhe's my Great-Great Grandfather Colonel Taylor's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandfather, maybe.\nMaybe great-grandfather.  Anyway, Colonel Taylor, uh, was born in\nColumbia, Kentucky, and, uh, both of his parents died, and, um, his\nname was a little different than it is now because he was an orphan\nand he was adopted by E. H. Taylor in Frankfort, I believe, and raised.\nAnd he loved his step-father who was a cousin or a brother of, of\nhis father, and, um, took on his name, E. H. Taylor Jr.  Now as he\ngrew up, he had a lot of privileges, uh, of education.  Uh, he had a\nlot ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of experiences. Uh, one is that he lived with Zachary Taylor in\nNew Orleans back in the old, old days, was introduced to a lot of the\ncaptains of industry and, um, went into banking originally, but as a\nbanker he knew who was making all the money.  And, uh, he liked banking\nbut he all of a sudden saw, \"Look at all this money these distillers\nare making.\" (laughs) So he decided to go into the distillery business,\nand the rest is history that we can talk about later.\n \nTROLAND: So let's just follow up on the lineage here, that is to\ncontinue that part of the story.  You are related to Colonel E.H.\nTaylor Jr., the whiskey man?\n \nHAY: My grandmother was his granddaughter, and my father was, uh--my\nfather lived with Colonel ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Taylor until he was eleven or twelve. Daddy\nwas born in 1910.  Colonel Taylor died in 1923, so Daddy lived with my,\nwith his mother and father at Thistleton.  It was a great big mansion,\nVictorian mansion, which has now been replaced by a little shopping\ncenter out on the, toward Louisville, and, uh, he has a lot of stories\nabout Colonel Taylor and, um--which I have and we can talk about them,\nand um, if we have time, and you all tell me--and, um, the artifacts\nare all over the place.  I have artifacts here we can look at in a\nminute, but as an example, when I was developing land and building\nhomes in, um, Louisville, um, Daddy was one of these people that saved\neverything and he had a bunch of old mantles that he had taken out of\nColonel Taylor's house at, uh, Thistleton. And, uh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he saved all the\nlighting he could because they tore the house down--it was a gorgeous\nhome.  I've got pictures of it, and I saw it before it was torn down.\nIt was a big home--and, um, my first home that I built in 1965 for\nmyself was high on a hill.  It was a Georgian looking thing with\ncolumns and porte-cochere, and it's in a--oh, and it's right across\nfrom Locust Hill.  That's where I built, uh, where George Rogers Clark\nlived.  The Clarks, incidentally, left Virginia because they were mad\nbecause the Taylors were getting all the favors from the, uh, from\nEngland so they said, Well, we're going to make our fortune somewhere\nelse, so the Clarks came west, settled in Kentucky as one other place--\nClarksville, Indiana--and, uh, so I built my home--\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me.  It's actually Locust Grove.\n \nHAY: What did I say?\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Locust Hill which is our, to Scotland Farm--\n \nHAY: Oh, okay.  Okay.\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry to interrupt.  And then the other thing is,\ndo your, like, line from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colonel Taylor, Swaggart Taylor, Mary Bell\nTaylor, your father.\n \nHAY: Okay.  I can do it.\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At some point.  So, yeah.\n \nHAY: All right.  So anyway, there were a lot of coincidences because I\nwas just a stone's throw from--it was not Locust Hill.  It was Locust\nGrove and, uh, which is a historical George Rogers Clark home where\nhe lived in Louisville over in the fancy section of town.  So, uh, I\nwould, I took a chandelier from Colonel Taylor's house, old house, and\nit was in the foyer of my first home that I built for myself, and his\nmantle from his, uh, uh, bedroom which is a gorgeous mantle was the\nmantle that I used in the, um, in the living room in my house.  So he,\nhe seems to follow everyone all over the place.  Um, and, uh, and still\ncurrent--at Scotland Farm there are so many of his, of his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things. So\nuh, uh, to give you an idea of the, of the lineage, Commodore Taylor,\nof course, they were the Virginia Taylors.  They were all, they, the\nspoil system, that's where they made their money was fighting wars and\ngetting land, but it was Commodore Taylor.  Then there was, uh, uh,\nRichard Taylor, his legitimate son and then there was--\n \nTROLAND: That is to say Black Dick.\n \nHAY: That was Black Dick.  Hopping Dick was the illegitimate.\n \nTROLAND: Yes, which I understand, you're not related to.\n \nHAY: I don't think so.  (laughs) No.  Uh, then after that, Colonel\nTaylor is, uh, uh, I'm not sure--there's somebody in between there, so\nthat would have been either his great- or great-great grandmother--then\nafter Colonel Taylor came my grandmother, uh, uh--well, no.  After\nColonel Taylor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came, uh, Swaggart Taylor and his wife, and so it would\nbe Swaggart Taylor who we have a picture of here.  And, uh, then after\nSwaggart Taylor came, um, my grandmother who was his daughter.\n \nTROLAND: That would be Mary Bell Taylor?\n \nHAY: Right.  And then after that came my father, E.H.  Taylor Hay and\nthen came after that was me, E.H.  Taylor Hay Jr.\n \nTROLAND: So to summarize, you are the great-great grandson of, uh, E.H.\nTaylor Jr.?\n \nHAY: Yeah.  Here's a picture of him when he was, uh, this was--he\nwas over ninety when this was taken, but he loved to, he had a cane\nfor every day, uh, every hour of the day, they said, and he had also\nclothes for every hour of the day.  He changed clothes two or three\ntimes a day depending on what he was doing; meeting with somebody ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very\nimportant in business or whether he was out because he worked with his\nhands.  He did all kinds of stuff, and he was a powerful man.  But,\nuh, here is a representation of the top hat that he wore.  I don't know\nwhether this would fit me.  No.\n \nTROLAND: This is, in fact, a top hat that he wore?\n \nHAY: I wish it wore, but it's not.  This belonged to my uncle who was\none of the top men in American Tobacco Company.  Uh, Colonel Taylor's\nhats are with my nieces in a couple of other cities; Washington D.C.\nand, uh, uh, Westport, Connecticut.  Uh, but they have his hats.\nAnd, um, then here's one of his canes.  He had, I had--I chose all of\nhis canes when my sister and brother and I divided up all of the, uh,\npossessions in the house.  Most of them are still there, but there were\nover two thousand items and this cane was one of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his evening canes. It\nhas a gold tip on it.  It's just a gorgeous cane, and as my mother--\nsince we're telling stories--would say, \"What is a story without a top\nhat and a cane?\" And so that, uh, that's the story of, um, up to this\npoint.  There are all kinds of side stories I could tell you about his\npersonality based on the stories if you'd like to hear some of that.\n \nTROLAND: Let's, uh, let's discuss a little bit where these stories came\nfrom.  Now, uh, your dad was born after the death of E.H.  Taylor Jr.,\nso your--\n \nHAY: No.  My father lived with him for thirteen years.\n \nTROLAND: Ah.  Yes.  Okay.  So your--that's right.\n \nHAY: Twelve or thirteen.\n \nTROLAND: Your father, then, uh, heard stories directly about E.H.\nTaylor and knew him?\n \nHAY: Well, he knew him, so he, he--yeah.\n \nTROLAND: And your father, then, told you stories about E.H.  Taylor\nwhich he had remembered from his time?\n \nHAY: Strangely he told very few.\n \nTROLAND: I see.\n \nHAY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, the stories that I got came from his daughter, my grandmother,\nor his gr-, great, granddaughter, my grandmother, and Eugenia, her\ndaughter.\n \nTROLAND: And your grandmother, Mary Bell Taylor Hay--\n \nHAY: Mary Bell Taylor, yeah, Hay.\n \nTROLAND: --personally knew E.H.  Taylor, is that correct?\n \nHAY: Oh, she lived with him, uh, for years.\n \nTROLAND: Yes.  So what, what are some of the stories? What's a story\nthat she told you about him?\n \nHAY: Well, um, first of all Colonel Taylor was an entrepreneur of\nall entrepreneurs.  He owned shares of or all of probably a dozen\ndistilleries over his career.  Uh, he, um, had some wonderful\npartnerships and he had some that weren't so good because you have\npersonalities and, and, uh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"involvement in things, but he was so good.\nFor instance, James Pepper when he died--old man James Pepper died--he\nhad a, uh, distillery out there around Millville, um, young Pepper took\nit over and lost the money and was going broke, and Colonel Taylor came\nto him and said, \"I'll tell you what.  I'll be your full partner, and\nafter we get it on its feet you can buy it back from me.\" So he took\nthe, Pepper and got it back on its feet, sold it back to the young\nPepper.\n \nTROLAND: Is this the distillery that later became Labrot and Graham?\n \nHAY: That's Labrot and Graham, and Woodford now.  It's called Woodford.\nAt Labrot and Graham--I believe that's right--Labrot and Graham, uh,\nthis picture right here was taken at that, supposedly at that desk\nbecause there's a film out there, if you go to see their film, it shows\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him sitting at his desk at Labrot and Graham. And, uh, but he owned,\nuh, uh, a major share of that, and right down the road he, um, uh,\nstarted Old Taylor Distillery.  He owned Old Crow for a while.  Um, he\njust owned all--well, he owned this in partnership with, um, a couple\nof people.  And, uh, um, he was--he was an amazing man.  He owned\nthe largest herd of Hereford cattle in the world.  It was finer and\nlarger than the King of England's at the time, and he had the world's\nchampion bull, Woodford.  And we still have some bones of Woodford\nthat my, uh, sister, I think, took or, or, uh, chose in a little thing\nbecause Woodford burned up in a fire.  He had a terrible fire at his,\nuh, beautiful, beautiful farm ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out there in Woodford County toward\nVersailles on the right hand side as you go toward Versailles, and,\nuh, my father went out there when he was just a young boy and walked\nthrough the ruins and picked up some bones from Woodford, the world's\nchampion.  Uh, and, um, he, uh, had his own cigarettes made, Colonel\nTaylor did.  He, um, um, he did all types of investments.  He was\njust an extraordinary man and a quite imaginative man.  Um, some of\nthe stories, um, when he was, uh--well, for instance, they were going\nto move the capital of Frankfort out of town to either Lexington or\nLouisville, and he--this was in 1900--and in 1900, he gave all of his\nwealth, devoted it and his health to seeing that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Frankfort kept the\ncapital of Kentucky.  He at that time, was a senator.  He was mayor of\nFrankfort several times, a senator and he was going to run for governor\nbut decided not to one time, and, uh, when I was going through, uh, uh,\nthe basement of Scotland Farm--this was years and years, not too many\nyears, ago.  Three or four years ago--my father was, had a photographic\nmemory and he kept all his Bloodhorse magazines.  Daddy loved\nracehorses also, and the Bloodhorse magazines and the Thoroughbred\nmagazines were stacked around all these shelves in the basement where\nthey had bookshelves.  And I noticed that on this one stack there was\na space like this, and I wondered, I thought, I wonder what's under\nthere because here is a stack in this bookshelf down low.  But I looked\nand I just saw a shadow, and I thought, I wonder what's there.  I took\nall these magazines ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"off. It was his scrapbook of every clipping of his\ncareer and also the scrapbook included the clippings of him fighting\nto see that the capital of Kentucky stayed in Frankfort.  As a senator\nhe knew he was going to be defeated even though he had paid every one\nof these people in whiskey and every legislator he could to vote for\nhim.  He knew he was going to lose, and it's not any different than\nthe Congress today or, uh, legislatures of these various cities.  They\nallocate the money that they have and then as they get it then they\ndivide it up and put it in their pockets, you know.  So here he was,\nknowing he was going to be defeated with this bill if they had time to\nreally consider it and vote and fight him on it because they wanted to\ngo to Lexington or Louisville because there was big money that wanted\nthe capital. So the evening before, right ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before they were to close\neverything, he slipped in an amendment stating that two cents out of\nevery hundred dollars would be devoted to raising money to build a new\ncapitol in Frankfort--and at that time, it was going to cost $75,000\ndollars to build the capitol--so much to the chagrin of the opponents,\nthey thought, \"That no good,\" you know--I don't know what kind of cuss\nwords they used in those days--but there was the bill in there and\nthey knew that it would delay for weeks or maybe months of fighting\nover it to get it out of there, and they wanted their money.  So they\nall, the majority voted for it, and so all of a sudden Frankfort not\nonly had the capital but they were going to have a new capitol thanks\nto Colonel Taylor. That's all in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scrapbooks, but in the early\nnineteen--probably the year after that--he was lying flat on his back\nin Thistleton upstairs in his bedroom dying.  He was seventy years old\napproximately.  Um, the two doctors came in, examined him and shook\ntheir heads, walked out, closed the door quietly outside his room, and\none said, \"It's too bad the old Colonel's dying.\" And the other one\nsays, \"Yes, and it's too bad he's dying broke,\" because he had used all\nof his resources.  His eyes popped open, he sat up in bed, spun around,\njumped out of the bed--powerful man--in his nightshirt opened the door\nand ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"chased these two doctors down the stairs, long flights of stairs,\nout on the veranda and chased them halfway down this long, long--I wish\nwe had a, a picture of that, uh, Thistleton--shaking his fist saying,\n\"By God, I'm not going to die, and I'm not going to die broke.\" From\n'70 to '93, he made another fortune with the help of his son who he was\ndevoted to and his son was devoted to him, but this is another story\nand this one was told by my Aunt Eugenia when I was five and when I\nwas eight at the farm--1935-1938--because I heard it several times.\nThey had raised tobacco, they had cattle, they had horses.  They had,\nuh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whiskey, and, uh, he liked to chew tobacco. Colonel Taylor hated\ntobacco chewers, thought it was a disgusting habit.\n \nTROLAND: I agree with Colonel Taylor.\n \nHAY: (laughs) So here, so, uh, my Great-Grandfather Swaggart had a\nchew of tobacco in his mouth, and all of a sudden Colonel Taylor\nlooked around at him--they were talking to some people--and he said,\n\"Swaggart, what's that in your mouth?\" Swaggart said--(swallows)--\n\"Nothing, Pa.\" (laughs) That's the story.  So, uh, Colonel Taylor was\na, uh, brilliant man.  I read one letter that he wrote because this\nwas back, uh, ten years ago let's say or fifteen years ago--after Daddy\ndied--there were some books of Daddy's, uh, uh, little shelf ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where he\nused to sleep before he died, and in one of the books, I just pulled\nit out just to look at it and there was a letter sticking out of it.\nAnd, uh, I should have saved it or taken it, but I didn't.  I just put\nit right back where it belonged because I said it's not, even though\nit's mine, it's not mine.  And I opened the letter, and it was a letter\nthat he had written to one of his daughters.  He had eight children.\nI have eight children.  He was born February 12, 1830.  I was born\nFebruary 11, 1930; a hundred years later less one day.  Mother couldn't\nwait--they were trying to make her wait so that I could be born on his\nbirthday--but anyway, he had eight children.  But he was--he--they say\nhe used to make his, uh, daughters cry and, uh, uh, because he would\nbe fussy about things.  This letter proved it.  It was a two- or three-\npage letter in his handwriting, and he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was fussing at her, criticizing\nher for naming her dog.  He said, \"Dogs should not have human names.\"\nAnd he didn't say it--that wasn't his language--but it was the most\nscathing, uh, sarcastic, mean letter I ever wrote--read in my life\nthat, that how dare she name a dog after a person.  And that was the\nonly remembrance I have of a firsthand encounter with why he made his\ndaughters cry.  Now he had another son named Edmund Taylor, named after\nhim, that loved to write.  He was a poet and was an amazing man and,\nuh, wrote a book of poetry that he never told Colonel Taylor about, but\nI saw one photograph of Colonel Taylor with all of his daughters around\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him--it was an outside shot--loving him just like they always did.\nThey always just loved him to death because he was such a powerful,\nwonderful man for them, and over in a distance was my Great-Great Uncle\nEdmund Taylor with his legs crossed with a book on his lap scowling as\nthey were having their picture taken.  So, you know, he can't please\neverybody, but he had all these children and they took very good care\nof him.  They all inherited money.  One-sixteenth of what he had left\nwas enough that Col--that Edmund Taylor, the one that was the poet,\nuh, was able to live comfortably into his nineties anywhere he pleased\nand actually came to the farm when Granny inherited the farm, and they\ntalked her into making a tennis court next to the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dance hall so they\nhad a party house because he loved parties.  And he had a great big\ncamp on the river, Kentucky River, a big eddy, and they said there were\njust as many matches in, uh, in the woods and in the grass as there\nwere on the tennis court--(laughs)--because he had all his friends out\nthere partying.  He supposedly was a bastard, but as it turned out when\nhe was dying up showed, up came his wife of eighty years old who was\nblind and also an old girlfriend.  (laughs) He was lying there in bed\nlike this.  So anyway, there were great stories.\n \nTROLAND: Who, whose wife appeared? Was that Colonel Taylor's wife?\n \nHAY: No.  This was Edmund Taylor's.\n \nTROLAND: Edmund Taylor's wife?\n \nHAY: Yeah.  They didn't know he was married.\n \nTROLAND: The son of Colonel Taylor? Colonel E. H. Taylor Junior, yes.\n \nHAY: Yeah, but they had a whole--but I knew some of his daughters\nbecause Granny would take me down to visit them, and one of his sons,\nDr.  Price, uh, when I was five years old, uh, I used to have to go\nkiss ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him. And he had a beard and he chewed tobacco and he was sitting,\nand she said, \"Go kiss Uncle Price.\" Uh, uh, but he was married to one\nof my, uh, his daughters, and I'd have to go like this.  I remember\ndoing it, but I remember he was laid out.  You know, that was my\nfirst funeral when I was five years old to see this--\"Go see him.\" You\nknow, I had to go in and see Dr.  Price.  And, uh, so they were all\nin Frankfort, most of them, and, uh, Aunt Juliet lived over on Wapping\nStreet in one of the mansions.  It's a gorgeous place.  It's on the\ncorner.  It's got gorgeous gardens, and we used to go there to visit\nher.  So I was part of that family from the time I was five years old\non, and I'll never forget I used to have to take care of the house when\nMother and Daddy lived in Chicago and I was down a year earlier or two\nyears earlier to live in Frankfort with my other grandmother.  I had to\ngo out to the house to check it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out, and I remember going upstairs and\nthere was a big photograph of Colonel Taylor in his chair.  And I said,\n\"Someday, I'm going to be exactly like you.\" I was fifteen years old.\nOf course, I wasn't, um, because, uh, I don't make my daughters cry or\nany--(laughs)--you know, and, uh--\n \nTROLAND: From what you know and what you've heard about Edmund Taylor\nJunior, how would you summarize who he was?\n \nHAY: I would say that he was an extraordinary man that I would have,\nuh, probably gotten along pretty well with because I wouldn't have\nbeen afraid of him.  Um, my father was, had the powerful presence of\nColonel Taylor.  Um, uh, I wouldn't have been afraid of him.  I would\nhave probably not talked a lot around him because he was, um, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably\npretty much controlled things.  Um, I would say he was a perfectionist.\nHe was a, uh, visionary.  He, um, well, the, uh, the people that own\nthis distillery, uh, Old Taylor Distillery, before it was bought by,\nuh, Buffalo Trace just recently had a big ad in the paper one time that\nshowed Colonel Taylor with an axe chopping up barrels of whiskey because\nhe had tasted the whiskey and he didn't like it, and he was with a\ntemper.  So I think he had a great temper.  I think he was articulate.\nHe, uh, he was also a great entertainer just like my grandmother was,\nand I have a picture of him entertaining--or--and I have a plaque which\nis at the farm. I didn't bring ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. Uh, at Scotland Farm--uh, that's\nsigned by all the presidents of these universities as the master of,\num--what's the word when you entertain people? The master of--\n \nTROLAND: Ceremonies?\n \nHAY: No.  Master of, uh--whatever he was, he was, they loved him because\nhe could entertain and he would, um--I can't remember the word now,\nbut it says master--but here are the lists and the signatures of all\nthese presidents of universities because he would have people from all\nover the United States come and stay with him.  And he would entertain\nthem, and he loved, you know, books and he read.  And one of the best\nI ever heard about marketing was he had started Old Taylor Whiskey and\nhe wanted to be in several towns. He wanted to be in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New York, Boston\nand, uh, New York, Boston and one other--Philadelphia--and so what he\ndid--and in the old days, you didn't have garbage pickup like you do\ntoday.  You had barrels around everywhere and whatever they were, you\nknow, and trash was out--and so he had three crews of men go--one to\nPhiladelphia, one to New York and one to Boston, and he sent carloads\nof empty Old Taylor Whiskey bottles to each of those cities.  These\nteams of men unloaded the boxcars, and at night, they would go around\nthe city in the areas where the business sections were, like on Wall\nStreet, and they would place these empty bottles in the trash with the\nlabels ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"showing. And then during the daytime and night, they would go\nto every bar, every tavern in every one of these three cities and ask\nfor Old Taylor Whiskey, and when the person would say, \"I don't have\nany,\" they'd walk out.  Within a relatively reasonable time, he had\nestablished a major market in the three major cities of the United\nStates at that time, New York, Philadelphia and Boston, because of his\nmarketing skills.\n \nTROLAND: What epoch was this specifically? Do you remember?\n \nHAY: What what?\n \nTROLAND: What epoch?\n \nHAY: This is when he first--\n \nTROLAND: Uh, this story that you tell about, uh, Chicago--\n \nHAY: Well, this is when he first started the distillery, Old Taylor\nDistillery back in the 1800s.\n \nTROLAND: It sounds like he was a formidable man, although curiously\nenough not even E.H.  Taylor Jr.  apparently had enough whiskey to buy\nhimself an election on the Kentucky State ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Senate. Too bad.\n \nHAY: Well, he, uh, uh, to keep--uh, he didn't have enough money to buy\nthe votes for the, what do you call it, the, keeping the Frankfort\ncapital there, but he was a senator many times.  Now this was one of\nhis first bottles, and every one of his whiskey bottles always said\n\"signed, sealed and delicious\" but he said, \"I would not put my name on\nanything unless it was the finest whiskey.\" And it was Old Taylor.\n \nTROLAND: Do you know roughly when that whiskey jug was produced?\n \nHAY: This says \"Distillers, Frankfort, Kentucky.\" I'd say in the 1800s,\nbut it's a beautiful old bottle.  I don't know how I got a hold of that.\n \nTROLAND: Tell us about the other bottle you have there.\n \nHAY: All right.  This other bottle is interesting because, uh, uh, I\nlove ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bourbon. I don't drink a lot of it or I don't function. Uh, I\nlove--I've never seen a drink that I didn't like, but I don't drink a\nlot because I saw what happens to all of those, the, the ancestors who\ndrank.  Colonel Taylor, by the, um, by the way, did not drink.\n \nTROLAND: Colonel Taylor did not drink at all?\n \nHAY: Yet, when he was sitting in the, uh, church where he went to church\nevery Sunday, one time the minister railed against whiskey.  He quietly\ngot up with his family, walked out in the middle of the sermon he\nwalked down the street and sat down at the church down the street and\nnever went back to that other one again.  Uh, ask the question again so\nI'll know what you said.\n \nTROLAND: Tell us a little bit about the bottle, the other bottle that\nyou have there.\n \nHAY: Oh, this bottle here?\n \nTROLAND: Yes.\n \nHAY: All right.  Uh, when we were dividing up the stuff at the farm, uh,\nback in '95 or something like this, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uh, my sister and brother didn't\ndrink and don't.  They're teetotalers.  So here were these bottles of\nwhiskey--Daddy used to have whiskey bottled for his management up at\nthe Elite Club in Chicago and, uh, called Members' Reserve which was a\nvery fine whiskey--and all that, and there were several bottles of Old\nTaylor Whiskey.  That's magic.  Did you see that?\n \nTROLAND: I did not see that.  The bottle appeared to move, but I could\nnot see how it moved.\n \nHAY: (laughs) Anyway so here is all this whiskey, and Mary Bell and John\nsaid, \"We don't want any of that.\" And I said, \"Okay.  I'll take it.\"\nAnd so in there were two or three bottles, unopened, with a beautiful\npackaging around it of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"original whiskey, and, um, this whiskey\nwas bottled--this particular bottle--was bottled in 1916--1914.  1914.\nAnd I was coming out to Buffalo Trace to meet with, uh, with, uh, Mark\nBrown, and, uh, I had met with him once before and they said, \"We're\ntrying to find one of the original labels because we are going to make\nOld Taylor Whiskey a top-shelf whiskey.\" Well, he explained to me top-\nshelf means the expensive whiskeys are on the top shelf.  On the bottom\nshelf are the cheap whiskeys, so when you go into a liquor store, if\nyou want to get something expensive you reach high.  And so he said,\n\"It'll be a top-shelf whiskey, but we want to find the label.  We can't\nfind a label.\" Well, I had one bottle, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he said, \"No, that's not it.\nThere's one older than that.\" So my wife, Joanna, who knows all and\nsees all, literally, uh, said, \"Taylor, I think you've got a bottle up\nin the, stored in the attic under the eaves,\" and I said, \"Well, Joanna,\nmy knees don't feel so good this morning.  Would you want to go in\nthere\"--(laughs)--\"and look and see before we're going to come out here\nand see Mark again?\" And so I walked in and put this down on his desk,\nand I've never seen a man so happy in my life because there was Colonel\nTaylor's image, that side.  Voila, on the other side was a sketch of\nBuffalo Trace Distillery right here, and this was the label that he was\nlooking for.  So now he knows how to design his label using this as a\nbasis for it or an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3000.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"idea and, uh, for the new brand of Old Taylor.\n \nTROLAND: Tell us about the vest you're wearing.\n \nHAY: Oh, uh, Colonel Taylor was a very well-dressed man.  He was\nextraordinarily well-dressed.  They said he had a cane for every hour\nof the day, and he had a suit for every hour.  He used to change,\nas I said, he used to change clothes several times depending on what\nthe occasion was, and he had, uh, uh, vests.  And we have, up in the\nattic at Scotland ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3060.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farm, we have, um, an old cedar closet, and I would\nthink by now the cedar has worn out and the moths would have eaten it\nup.  But there were all of his suits.  Uh, like this suit here he had\non.  I've got this one.  I brought it down to Buffalo Trace for their\ncelebration for buying the, uh, new, the whiskey brand just recently,\nbut that suit's hanging in the attic at Scotland Farm and several other\nones; beautiful, elegant stuff.  But also hanging there are all these\nvests.  He loved vests, and they were all silk or, uh, and fancy vests\nand, uh, so I took several of them.  One's down on display down there,\nuh, but this one, uh, I had at home, and it has--this is one of his\nvests, and it's got his label in the back.  What was the year? I think\nit was 1911 or something like that.\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it was 1916.\n \nHAY: Nineteen-sixteen?\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.\n \nHAY: Nineteen-sixteen, nineteen-sixteen on the label, Colonel E.H.\nTaylor, and, uh, this is one of the vests that he would have worn.\nIt's very pretty because it's got these button on it, so I just put\nit on this morning and thought I would use it for the interview.  I've\nnever worn it before.  This is the first time, so at least I know that\nhe was about my size.  I know that he had broad shoulders and was a\npowerful man. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3120.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wasn't maybe as tall as I am, uh, but he was just a,\njust a powerhouse.  He was mentally a powerhouse and he was physically\na powerhouse.  He had, he was--what's the word--indefatigable.  He was\ntireless.  The man could do several things at once, and, uh, and he\nwas able to, uh, um--interestingly enough he, uh, at one time was, uh,\nout of money.  We call it bankrupt today, but he didn't go bankrupt.\nBut he owed all this money--and I don't know whether it was at this\ndistillery or the one down there in Millville--but he knew that his\ncreditors were going to close him down and take over.  So he left\nhis son, Swaggart, sitting behind his desk, and he left town, went to\nEurope.  And so just like in the movies here came all these creditors\nbanging on the door, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3180.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"holding their notes and everything that\nhe owed, and, um, they said, \"Where is he? Where is he?\" And said,\n\"He's in Europe.\" And they said, \"What are you doing here?\" He says,\n\"I'm his son.  I'm speaking for him.\" And, um, he said, uh, they said,\nwell, uh--he said, \"He's left me with a proposition for you.  If you\nwill all sign this he will pay you this amount of money on a certain\ntime, but he will do this and he will do that.\" And so they looked at\nit, they put it down and said, \"How do we know he's going to live up\nto this?\" Swaggart looked at them and said, \"Because he's my father.\"\nSo it puts tears in your eyes just thinking about it.  A man who had\nto fight all of his life up and down.  He was, and when he was, in\nnine--when he was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3240.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forty-seven--and these articles are in the scrapbook,\ninterviews in the newspaper.\n \nTROLAND: When E.H.  Taylor Jr.  was forty-seven, that is?\n \nHAY: Yeah.  When he was forty-seven years old, he was out of money\nagain, had to sell everything, and they asked him why he had lost\nall of his money.  He said, \"Well\"--and I'm not going to use his\nwords because I don't remember his words--he said, \"I put in the most\nup-to-date equipment\"--because he was known for being the father of\nbourbon whiskey, of fine bourbon whiskey--he said, \"I put in the finest\nequipment,\" and he said, \"The economy went down.  We had a depression.\nI couldn't sell my whiskey and I owed this money.  That's it.\" But\nwhen things came back, he had warehouses of whiskey, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3300.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"warehouses. He\ncouldn't sell them because everybody had whiskey, and so in those\ndays a lot of the whiskey was poison.  You know, it was bad.  He was\nthe first person to get the Good Housekeeping seal of approval.  He\nnever--nobody else got it in whiskey.  He, we have a plaque.  The Good\nHousekeeping seal of approval, he got the, uh, certificate.\n \nTROLAND: What epoch was that, that he received that certificate?\n \nHAY: That was the Colonel Taylor--the Old Taylor Distillery and I'm\nnot sure whether it was late 1800s or early 1900s.  Probably the early\n1900s and the reason why is that then he thought, \"How am I going to\nsell this whiskey?\" Just like how was he going to introduce it to New\nYork, Chicago and, you know, and putting these bottles in the Wall\nStreet trash cans, you know, and the wealthy guys come suddenly asking\nfor them.  He thought, \"What am I going to do with this whiskey?\" Well,\ntwo things were important to him; pure whiskey and he was trying--oh,\nand also these whiskey makers were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3360.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"selling warehouse receipts which\nmeant that I would come to you and you were a whiskey maker, and\nI would say, \"I want to buy some of your whiskey.\" And say, \"Okay.\nUh, pay me and I'll give you a receipt, so when you're ready for\nit, you just come get it.\" Well, a lot of times these guys would buy\nthe warehouse receipts, come to get their whiskey and there wasn't\nany in the bot-, in the warehouses.  (laughs) You know, so he went\nto Washington, and he lobbied them--that's the word they use now.  He\ndidn't use that word.  They didn't have that word then, I don't think-\n-to have bottled in bond whiskey which meant several things.  One, it\nmeant that that bottle was bonded and had certain purity standards and\nalso had to be of a certain proof so that--I think it was a hundred\nproof. I'm not sure--and was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3420.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"locked in a warehouse with a federal seal\non it so that they were guaranteed that every time a bottle of whiskey\nwent out of that warehouse, the federal government was paid their\nwhiskey tax.  So immediately he was able to trade a weenie for a ham,\nas it were.  He was able to give the government a way of controlling\nthe taxes on whiskey, and he was able to guarantee that his whiskey was\nin the warehouse and it was pure.  So what happened? As soon as that\nwas passed, his was the first one that was bottled in bond with the\nwarehouses that way, so the whiskey buyers would come in and know that\nthe whiskey was there and know it was pure.  So he sold his whiskey.\nSo he was responsible for bottled in bond and the purity food laws and\nthe Good Housekeeping seal.  He was an amazing man.\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're just, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3480.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um--\n \n \n[Pause in recording.]\n \n \nTROLAND: How would you summarize in your view E.H.  Taylor's greatest\nlegacy to the bourbon industry?\n \nHAY: Uh, he was known by many as the father of the bourbon industry,\nand there were naturally people that started with old stills and\nbarrels and burning and stuff before Colonel Taylor.  I've read the\nhistories on them and the history of bourbon in several magazines and\nbooks.  But he would be known as the father of bourbon whiskey, fine\nbourbon whiskey, and also the one that made bourbon whiskey safe to\ndrink in certain portions, you know.  (laughs) Uh, so, uh, I would say\nhis legacy, uh--but in our family he's, uh, uh, still--what's, a part\nof the fabric because I have two sons--both live in Atlanta now--who\nhave been collecting Colonel Taylor's, uh--not graffiti--um, tokens\noff of eBay. Uh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3540.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my son bid, uh, one, Doug--my son, Douglas, bid on,\num, uh, a case of 1916 whiskey and was outbid by the Japanese who--he\nwas going to keep it in a collection.  There was a whole case of it.\nThis was just recently--but the Japanese will take it and drink it,\nyou know--(laughs)--they love bourbon whiskey.  Maker's Mark used to\nbe one of their--the one's they liked and then Colonel Taylor's whiskey\nwas rare, uh, but the whole thing is that, the legacy is that it keeps\ngoing on.  I have a friend in Tampa, Florida, who gave me a large, big\nbottle that he had saved for me that had, uh--how do you do? That's a\ncousin of mine that just walked in, uh, who's also, who looks more like\nColonel Taylor than anybody in the family, so when he comes in you can\nlook at him.  He's got the broad shoulders.  He's got the intelligent\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3600.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"face. Uh, he's--(laughs)--real bright, too; very smart. And, uh, he's\nmy cousin, Richard Taylor, who was named after, uh, probably one of\nthe Richards from Commodore Taylor.  So, uh, but as far as the legacy\nthat he left, the legacy goes on because here is a bourbon that's now\nbeing bought and is going to be a top-of-the-shelf bourbon again.  So\nhis name goes on way after him, and the quality of the whiskey will\nbe as good or ever better than it was then.  Now he built many of the\nbuildings here at this distillery, and if you look at them, you'll see\nthis gorgeous, beautiful architecture even for the warehouses.  Uh, uh,\ncoin corners made out of stone.  The entrances where you just roll the\nbarrels out look like something that somebody would like to have on the\nfront of their mansion.  So he believed that fine whiskey deserved a\nfine ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3660.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"environment, and this distillery was, I understood, bought by, uh,\nuh, by the, uh, man in, uh, Sazerac, uh, Distillers that owned this and\nit's one man that owns them and he's from New Orleans.  And he said the\nreason he bought it was it was such a beautiful, beautiful distillery.\nHe bought it not just because of the, uh, left brain, uh, pluses and\nminuses, uh, bottom line.  He bought it because it inspired him.  It\nwas a gorgeous place.\n \nTROLAND: It's the brand that Sazerac Corporation purchased, is that not\ncorrect? Not the distillery.\n \nHAY: Well, no.  Sazerac purchased the distillery, and Mark Brown has\nbeen here for how many years now?\n \nUNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um, about ten.\n \nHAY: About ten.  Mark Brown who worked for Sazerac, uh, over the years,\nuh, who's an Englishman by birth, uh, worked for Sazerac, the one man,\nand was put in charge of bringing this distillery up to the standards\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3720.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that it used to have. Now it's won many awards. Uh, Buffalo Trace,\nuh, their whiskeys, um, have won, um, dozens of awards; gold medals and\nfinest bourbon whiskey for four or five or maybe eight years--I don't\nknow how long--in the United States, and now they're bringing in Old\nTaylor.  And I asked Mark Brown, I said, \"Mark, what are you going to\ndo with Old Taylor?\" He said, \"I'm going to make it the finest whiskey\nin America.\"\n \nTROLAND: So let me ask you this question.  Let's look five years down\nthe road.  I know you don't drink too much bourbon, but you walk into a\nliquor store.  What brand are you going to take?\n \nHAY: Old Taylor.\n \nTROLAND: I suspected that.\n \nHAY: But if you asked me what brand I would have taken five years ago,\nten years ago, uh, it would have been anything but Old Taylor because\nit was, uh, not really respected.  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It's a, it's a living, uh, it's a, it's a living\nlegend.  He'll--it's, it's like, uh, Colonel Sanders of Kentucky\nFried Chicken from Corbin.  I used to run into him at the airport.  I\nthought, He looks just exactly like his ads.  And a friend of mine,\nJohn Y. Brown, is the one that put him on the map with Kentucky Fried\nChicken--not a friend, but an acquaintance--and, uh, Colonel Taylor\nis the same way.  Uh, but, uh, uh, Colonel Sanders was taken off the\nlabel ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3840.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of, of the Kentucky Fried Chicken, and they tried to do it their\nway which was the corporate way and they were losing a lot of business.\nThey were going down the drain.  It had no romance.  What do they\ndo? Hey, Colonel Sanders, come back here.  They put his face up again.\nThey started marketing Colonel Sanders, and now it's up there as one\nof the top YUM brands.  But the same with Colonel Taylor.  Colonel\nTaylor is living on just like Colonel Sanders, and this is the--Colonel\nTaylor is the whiskey.  Colonel Sanders is the chicken.  And so I'd\nsay the legacy is something that, uh, hopefully will go on for many\ngenerations and warm the, the, um, the, uh, cockles or whatever--\n(laughs)-- when a person's cold, they can have a sip of bourbon.  Um,\nuh, back in the old days we used to make, um, um, a good mint julep\nwith a silver cup. 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In fact, I don't even\nlike to talk about being related to this because I would prefer you\njust to know me as Taylor, and, uh, uh, if you happened to be drinking\nthat say, \"It's the best whiskey I've ever drank.\" And I'd say, \"Let\nme taste it.  I'd like to see, you know, what it's like.\" (laughs) But,\nuh, uh, there are so many stories, you know, they just keep popping\nup and up and up, but, um, uh, I would say that Daddy was very proud\nof it.  He--like I said, he wanted to buy a distillery, but instead\nhe bought the house with his money, savings, and paid his brothers and\nsisters their share so he could ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9#t=3960.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/9/file/9/transcript/9/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have the house. 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