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Leonard Riddle grew up in Frankfort and began working in the warehouses at Buffalo Trace in 1964. Ronnie Eddins grew up on a farm outside of Frankfort and also came to work at Buffalo Trace in the 1960s.   \n\nRiddle and Eddins describe life at the distillery in the 1960s and compare the work environment of the 1960s to the present. They also discuss government regulation of the bourbon industry through the years. Riddle and Eddins also share the story of their first meeting at work and talk about the relationship they have since developed.  In addition, Riddle and Eddins list the types of bourbon produced at Buffalo Trace and explain the process of aging, discussing the different kinds of warehouses, barrels and aging conditions. They also reflect on the legacies they hope to leave at Buffalo Trace when they retire. (summary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["Families.","Childhood","Quality of products.","Quality control.","Liquor laws--United States"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Riddle, Leonard--Interviews (local term)","Eddins, Ronnie--Interviews (local term)","Buffalo Trace Distillery (local term)","Whiskey industry--Kentucky (local term)","Alcohol--Law and legislation (local term)","Alcohol--Taxation--United States. (local term)","Bourbon whiskey (local term)","Buffalo Trace Distillery. (local term)","Distillation. (local term)","Distilleries--Kentucky (local term)","Distillers. (local term)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries.","Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. 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In addition, Riddle and Eddins list the types of bourbon produced at Buffalo Trace and explain the process of aging, discussing the different kinds of warehouses, barrels and aging conditions. They also reflect on the legacies they hope to leave at Buffalo Trace when they retire."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries.","Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, Special Collections and Digital Programs, University of Kentucky Libraries."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/002/original/1b9c652bf856b30cc9684b8a547e8758.png?1549330641","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/110/988/small/open-uri20210328-30034-netfpl?1616968956","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 2009oh017_bik001_riddle_eddins_acc003"]},"duration":6764.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/110/988/small/open-uri20210328-30034-netfpl?1616968956","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://player.vimeo.com/video/253462781","type":"Video","format":"video/vimeo","duration":6764.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["OHMS Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TROLAND: Okay, my name is Tom Troland from the University of Kentucky,\nand we are interviewing today Ronnie Eddins on the left and Leonard\nRiddle on the right, both from Buffalo Trace Distillery.  This is\nOctober 16, 2008.  This is part of the Buffalo Trace Oral History\nProject, and we are here at the Buffalo Trace Distillery.  So thanks\nfirst of all to both of you for taking time out for this interview.  We\nappreciate it very much.\n \nEDDINS: Thank you all.\n \nTROLAND: Let me begin with just some general questions.  Leonard, for\nexample, just tell me a little bit about yourself.\n \nRIDDLE: Well, I'm, been here for about forty-three, forty-four years.\nCame here as a--looking for a pipefitter's job when I came here.\nEnded up in the warehousing department.  Part-time job turned into\nabout forty-some odd years. That, you know, that's basically--it's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nbeen a good job for that (??).  I've raised my family from that, you\nknow; it's, it's been good to me.  My wife's named Margaret.  I have\nseven kids.  I have sixteen grandkids and five great-grandkids.  And I\nhave contributed the financial end of it, I guess you would say, from,\nfrom my job that I've had here for the last forty-four years.\n \nTROLAND: Ronnie, tell me just a little bit also about yourself, just a\ncouple things that might be of interest.\n \nEDDINS: Well, I, kind of like Leonard there, now, I come here with\nanother guy was looking for a job here, and I wasn't really--I was a\nfarmer and living at home with my family, you know, Mother and Dad,\nand wasn't married at the time.  So I rode up here with another guy,\nhe put in the applications, and wind up--about a year later, I wind up\ncoming to work here.  So I come in here to work on the night shift and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then thought, \"Well, I'll w-, go ahead and work a few weeks with him,\"\nas he wanted me to come in with him.  And now I still, wind up still\nhere, naturally.  I've been in several different positions throughout\nthe older plant, and, but throughout the years when I, after I come\nhere, about three years later, I got married.  Moved to Frankfort,\nreally wasn't satisfied living here in town, so I moved back to the\ncountry and back down where I live now in Henry County.  And now, so\nnow I've got a--had a son, and--just the one boy--and he also works\nhere.  And then I got a grandson.  And so, but over a period of years,\nthis is--anybody couldn't ask for any better place to work.  You know,\neverything is just en-, so enjoyable, and every day is a challenge and\njust a loving place to be around this type of involvement around here.\n \nTROLAND: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Leonard, just tell me a little bit about your parents, sir.\nYou grew up down here in Frankfort, is that true, a little bit?\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, I grew up here in Frankfort.  My mother was a, a Hall:\nEunice Hall.  She married my father, Leonard Riddle Sr.  At a very\nyoung age, my grandmother taken me and raised me from up until my\ngrandmother passed away.  I seen my mom off and on throughout the\nyears.  My dad, he, he worked for our competitor out here, National\nDistillers.  My mother worked here for a while back in the, I believe\nit was back in the forties. I have a half-sis-, two half-sisters. One  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nof those are deceased, and I have three half-brothers, and one of those\nare deceased.  Two of them are still--live here in Frankfort.  And I've\nlived here all my life in Frankfort.  That's except for about three\nyears I lived, I was in Middletown, Ohio.  That was before I came to\nwork here.  I came back here in the early sixties and been here ever\nsince.\n \nTROLAND: So you say your mother worked at least for some time here at\nBuffalo Trace.\n \nRIDDLE: She worked, yes.  I don't remember, I don't recollect how\nmany years she worked here, but she worked back in the forties in the\nbottling here.\n \nTROLAND: I see.  I see.\n \nRIDDLE: And my father was an electrician.  He was out at Jim Beam, or\nNational Distillers it was at that time.  But my mother and father both\nare deceased.  I have one brother and one sister that's deceased, and,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but my family is mostly all from Frankfort. My mother was originally\nfrom Washington County, but she lived her life here in, in Frankfort\nuntil she--I guess she was probably in her late fifties when they, she\nmoved to Middletown, Ohio.  Until, stayed there until she was deceased.\n \nTROLAND: What do you remember your mother telling you about working\nhere? Was it a job that she enjoyed? Was it something that was\ndifficult? What did she say?\n \nRIDDLE: No, she enjoyed working here back--of course, back then, you\nknow, in the forties, it was, it was hard to find a job around, you\nknow, most anywhere.  And I guess it back then was O.F.C.  [Old Fire\nCopper Distillery] or Stagg, or at that time, you know.  And that and\nthe--what they used to call the shoe factory here, Dinesco (??), I\nguess that was about the only two places ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around during that period of\ntime that really there were jobs other than manual labor out, you know,\non the streets or whatever at that time.\n \nTROLAND: Ronnie, how about your, your parents? A little bit about your\nupbringing?\n \nEDDINS: Well, my parents, my dad is Goebel Eddins.  He's--was a farmer\nall of his life.  He raised cattle, lot of tobacco, corn, had hogs,\nchickens--anything to make a dollar, I guess, you know, back in the\nearly days.  And mainly lived on the farm and raised big gardens and\nmade a living there on the farm.  And then my mother, Lily, they--my\ndaddy, he was born in 1911, and my mother born in 1910.  And my father,\nhe passed away in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1966. But anyway, Mom and Dad, they farmed together\nall their lives, you know.  And, and so I was one of six kids and\nhad a brother that worked in Louisville, and so we all kind of left\nthe farms and went into public jobs, back several years ago.  As time\nwent on, each one kind of drifted out, went on their own, then we'd go\nback and actually help our parents out as everybody else would.  And\nwe enjoyed it, so then after I come to work here, I turn around and I\nca-, oh, I took up farming myself, too.  So I started raising a lot of\ntobacco and corn and worked here every day, and then, and then done a\nlot of farming, too.  And so after my son was borned, then I was trying\nto make a little extra money for him.  Of course he wanted some other\nthings ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too, you know, in life, and so I continued to work here. And\nthen for about twenty-five years, I've done a lot of farming; raised\na lot of, rented a lot of farms.  Bought farms and rented farms and\nanything that can pick some extra money up there.  So that was a big\npart of my life, was my farming and working here, too, at that time.\nSo then it finally got to a point--of course, age kind of caught up\nwith me, too, you know, but I guess we don't really admit that.  But\n(laughs) anyway, then I just went to working up here altogether, you\nknow, and this, I made this my permanent place up here.  But I al-,\nlike now, I've got a son that works here.  I've got a grandson that\nis, is eighteen years old.  So, you know, that's--me and my wife, we\njust had the one kid, and then my, my son just had the one kid.  And\nso, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but my, most of my family is from around Henry County and--and\nOldham County, and my mother and her parents was around from Oldham\nCounty.  And, and, and really, I guess, you know, back in my earlier\npart of their lives, my mother, she was--well, she actually, she was\na half Indian, you know, and--Cherokee.  And then my daddy, he was,\nhe was part Cherokee Indian, too.  So, you know, on back through their\nhistory, that's kind of ends it.  Of course Mom and Dad, neither one\ndidn't want to talk too much about it because, you know, Mom, I think\nshe got teased a lot in school back in those da-, or those years, you\nknow. And so, but anyway, that's, they was, my mom just passed away, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nand she was, she was ninety-three years old when she passed away.\nYeah.  A few years, four years ago, I guess, five years ago.\n \nTROLAND: Leonard, is there a story you can think of about when you were\na kid with your parents, something that you remember as interesting or\nsomething that just always stuck in your mind about your growing up and\ndealing with your parents?\n \nRIDDLE: (laughs) Yeah, there was probably quite a few things.  I guess\none of the things that stuck in my mind more than anything, I guess,\nwas a, was a little behind-warming I got one time for--we, we got this\nidea about this fellow's potato crop that we, once they came up, you\nknow, the potatoes were up five or six inches or so, and we ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had this\nidea of--myself, my brother and some other kids there--that we could\npull these potatoes up and reset them, and being, you know, they would\nbe, make more potatoes.  You know how kids are; you know they'll do\nanything like that.  But anyway, we pulled all of this fellow--he was\nnamed Mr., Mr.  Moore--we pulled all of his potatoes up and reset them\nover in the other areas of the plowed ground there and they all died.\nWell (laughs), we almost died, too, because we got our, our, our\nbehinds kicked pretty good (all laugh), but that's, that stands out in\nmy mind from what my mom and my dad probably and my grandmother mostly\ntolds me.  You know, you don't do those kind of things, you know,\nthat was, that's not right, you know, that--I guess you, you learn\nfrom those things, things that are right and wrong.  You know, you\ncarried on your, not a--there's a lot of other things, probably, but I\ncan't think of all the things. But that sets out in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my mind more than\nanything when I was a kid.  That, on that, on that side, the, I guess\nthe things on a, on a better note would be, is the families around\nholiday time--Christmas, Thanksgiving time, you know--your family that-\n-that was one of the things that always set out in our mind; we always\nlooked forward to that, all the kids being in, your uncles and aunts,\nyour brothers, sisters, or, or whatever, you know.  But those are two\nthings that I can remember most when I were a kid.\n \nTROLAND: Just out of curiosity, when you were growing up did either of\nyour parents drink bourbon?\n \nRIDDLE: My mother didn't.  My mother was not a bourbon drinker.  My\nfather was.  He drank bourbon.  Of course, like I said a while ago, he\nwasn't a, he wasn't an Ancient Age man (laughs), or Buffalo Trace.  He\nworked for National Distillers ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at that time. He wasn't a heavy drinker,\nbut he, he did drink bourbon.  But my mother was not a drinker.\n \nTROLAND: So working in the bourbon industry, then, obviously, is a part\nof your family tradition, with your father also--\n \nRIDDLE: Well, yes.\n \nTROLAND: --working and, of course, your son.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  Um-hm, that's correct.\n \nTROLAND: Now, Ronnie, you, I'm sure, as a young person, were always a\ngood boy, so the stories that (EDDINS laughs) Leonard tells, probably\nyou wouldn't have stories like that to tell, but can you think of\nsomething you learned from your parents that was important in one way\nor another to your later life?\n \nEDDINS: Something really important to them? Yeah, well, I know I was,\nwhen Riddle was talking there a few minutes ago, I remember one time\nthat--I used to love to swim; loved to be in the water, you know.\nAnd we lived about a mile from the Kentucky River, out in this big\nbottom, and the house sat down in the bottom.  So I would, I had a\ntendency, I would sneak off and go to the river and go swimming.  And\nhere I was about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seven or eight years old, you know, and so, yeah,\nI remember getting a good blistering over that, you know, (laughs)\nbecause I was--they was hunting for me, and here I was.  I could hear\nthem a-hollering for me.  I was down the river, but I didn't want them\nto know I was down there, see.  I was trying to get out and get away.\nGet back to the house, you know, sneak up the bank.  But I kind of\nhid behind a tree, you know, and finally they seen me, and that was too\nlate.  (laughs) So, but I loved to, really liked to go swimming.  That\nwas one of the times I'm, that always stuck in my mind, you know, as\nsomething I shouldn't have done.  No wonder, you know, I think it (??)\nis today.  You know, if Tr-, Mark had done me that way, I'd been scared\nto death whether they're dead or been drowneded or whatever.  And,\nyou know, a young kid, you don't think about those things.  But that's\nsomething that always kindy stuck in my mind as something, you know,\nI'd done, you know, and that I shouldn't have been doing.  Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: So you were both young hellions, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I gather.\n \nEDDINS: (laughs)\n \nRIDDLE: I would say so, yeah, probably.  I don't know how they survived,\nbut anyway, they did.  (laughs)\n \nTROLAND: Now remind me, Leonard, you're, you're one of how many children?\n \nRIDDLE: Do what now?\n \nTROLAND: You're one of how many children in your family?\n \nRIDDLE: Six of us total.\n \nTROLAND: Six.  I see.  Okay, and where were you in the birth order\nthere? Are you the youngest, the oldest?\n \nRIDDLE: No, I'm the--I have a, I had a bro-, I had three brothers and a\nsister that's older than I am.\n \nTROLAND: Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  That's--the youngest in the family is a, a sister.\n \nTROLAND: I see.  And Ronnie, how, how about you? You've--\n \nEDDINS: Well--\n \nTROLAND: --mentioned it earlier?\n \nEDDINS: No, I had three, three that was older than myself and then two\nyounger than me; I've got two sisters that's younger than I am.  And,\nbut I was, I'm the, as Mom always told me, you know, said I was the\nbaby, but the baby, the boy? (laughs) So you know how that goes. So ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nwas the youngest boy.  There was three boys and three girls, and then\nI was the youngest boy to, you know, and so, yeah, that--we was all\nborned pretty close together, you know, and within about a year of one\nanother.  And, of course, si-, there's six of us in the family, and\nof course I--to my understanding, before any of us was borned, there\nwas one baby that was borned that didn't live.  Mom's first child, you\nknow.  So, but no, we, we all managed to survive up to later years, and\nhere about a year or so ago I had, my oldest sister had passed away.\nAbout a year before that, my oldest brother had passed away, and about\na year before that, then, well, my next oldest brother had passed away.\nBut so there's still ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three of us still living and, and, and so we've\ngot a lot to be proud for, you know.  We got up in age.  So many has\ndied at a younger age, and so I think all the oldest, lot of us got to\nbe proud of: what we've been involved with, and how that we've managed\nthroughout the world, you know, to deal with things and, and live to\nbe an older people, you know.  Of course, I've still got, you know,\nanother thirty or forty years to go yet, Riddle, but--(both laugh)\n \nRIDDLE: Oh, yeah.  At least.\n \nTROLAND: At least.  Let's think a little bit about or talk a little bit\nabout the young adulthoods that you both, both passed through.  When,\nLeonard, when, what was the first thing you did after you completed\nschooling?\n \nRIDDLE: The first thing I did after I finished school.  I worked for\ncontractors, a fellow by the name of Strange. They ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was builders. I\ndon't know, along in the (??) I guess probably middle, late fifties.\nI ran a service station over here on High Street; that's right after I\ngot married.  And I also started to work here at about that time also.\nI run--did both.  Ran a service station there.  It was an old Spur\nstation, used to be here in Frankfort on Ohio Street.  Worked here.\nAfter I come here, I worked during the day, because when we first\ncome here, Ronnie and I, you know, the--at that time, when Schenley was\nin here, it--we'd probably work, what, six or seven months out of the\nyear, maybe?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, we had to have a second job to get by.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  I guess people that, that's, that were here a numb-, like\nRonnie and myself, a number of years, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when you started back then,\nyou almost had to have a second job in order to, to get enough time\nhere.  You know, you get time in as people retired out, you know, and\nthen we got in here regular.  But I never went to college.  I come out\nof high school, and that's--went to, as I said, construction work, hod\ncarried for bricklayers.  Whatever, you know, that came along at that\ntime until I came here, and then it seemed to be that this here--I come\nhere as a pipefitter.  My uncle I worked a lot with was a pipefitter.\nI worked with my uncle for quite a few months and years for him.  It\nwas in the family, and learned a lot about that, and that's why they\nwere asking for a, wanting a pipefitter here at that time, and--when\nI ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came in here. And the guy that was retiring or whatever -------\n---(??) at that time, and a fellow by the name of Red Perkins was in\nhuman resources here then.  And he said, \"If we have anything comes\navailable, we'll get in touch with you.\" And, but anyway, I get back\nhome, and I have this, my wife tells me that I have a number there to\ncall: \"There's a gentleman wants to talk to you.\" So I got on the phone\nand I called the number, and it was Mr.  Perkins.  He said, \"We don't\nhave anything in the pipefitting line at this time, or in maintenance,\"\nbut he said, \"We could probably put you on in general labor here for a\nperiod of time until maybe something does come up.\" Well, anyway, the\npipefitter job never did come open.  I mean I've been, that's where\nI've been, here the rest of my life.  So far.\n \nTROLAND: So what year did you come to Buffalo Trace?\n \nRIDDLE: Nineteen sixty-four?\n \nTROLAND: Nineteen sixty-four.  And what was, then, the very first job\nthat you held here at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Buffalo Trace?\n \nRIDDLE: The first job I held here?\n \nTROLAND: Here, yes.\n \nRIDDLE: In the warehousing department.  Rolling barrels, doing whatever\nthey had you do, loading empty barrels or whatever.  I worked in\nthe--we worked there during the day.  After a while, you know, we got\nto where we could come over here and, and work some in the shipping\nat night, you know.  They'd have night work over here.  We could work\nover there in the day, and a lot of times we'd come over here and work\nat nights in shipping.  (Coughs) Back--excuse me--back in the sixties,\nthe latter part of the sixties, I, I bid on a job here that was in the\npainting crew over where (??) they had a paint crew here on a lot of\nthat time in maintenance, and I worked on that for, I don't know, two\nor three years.  We painted most everything around here, and then I\nworked my time in to where I got enough time to work ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wherever I went\nback to the warehousing department.  I've been there ever since.\n \nTROLAND: Ronnie, how about you? When your schooling was over, what--\n \nEDDINS: Well--\n \nTROLAND: --what were your thoughts then?\n \nEDDINS: I--\n \nTROLAND: What was your next step?\n \nEDDINS: --I, I come here right out of high school, you know.  I'd--\nactually, when I come to work here, see, I wasn't eighteen; I wasn't\nsupposed to be working, you know.  But (laughs) so anyway, I come to\nwork here and kindy misrepresented my age when I come in here? But\nanyway, I went to work in the, in the bottling house, and so, and so\nI'd come to work here on the night shift, and I stayed on night shift.\nWe worked about three months that winter, you know, and the--got to\nunderstand back then everything's in a rush deal.  There are people, a\nlot of people was hired to run the bottling and, you know, the whiskey\nbottled up the, and through the winter months for Christmas and the\nholidays. And then it was more or less li-, each--you'd be off ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through\nall the summer months and stuff and then back there again in the fall\nof the year and the winter months, and then but did the same thing\nover again.  So the first mon-, first year, I worked here about three\nmonths.  Second year, I guess it was about five months, and then it\nfinally got to I was working about six months a year.  And then after\nI was here about, oh, I'd say six or seven years, then I pulled, well,\nwent through, you know, kind of year round.  But during that meantime\nI was working here, that's the reason I was doing so much farming and\nstuff, too, on the sideline is, you know, trying to make a living for\nthe family and, and, but yet this was so interesting here that I didn't\nwant to give this part up either.  So as it come about--well, put it\nthis way: Back in the first year, I thought about it, you know, leaving\nup here.  I worked here about three months.  Then I turned around and\nI had a cousin that worked in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shelbyville die-casting aluminum, so I\nwent over there and I started on that, and I worked on that about six\nmonths.  And then they called me back here, and then I had to make a\ndecision on whether I was going to stay over there or come back here.\nSo I come back here and stayed here.  So, but, you know, back then,\nyou know, I was making like fifty cents an hour over there, and I come\nover here, and I think it was, what, seventy-five, something like that.\nSo it was a g-, a whole lot of money difference, you know.  So it was\na big difference in pay, and then plus I enjoyed the working here, too.\nThat over there was like 130, 135 degree temperatures I was working\nin, and it was rough going.  Had to wear the asbestos suits and just-\n-it was all \"Get out of this situation.\" But I have never since I come\nback here to the Buffalo Trace and worked here, you know, I've never\nregretted it at all.  Always been tickled I did come back here.\n \nTROLAND: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In those early years, in those early years, describe a typical\nday of work here at Buffalo Trace for you.\n \nEDDINS: Okay.  Well, well, when I come in here in the early years, of\ncourse, it's altogether different than it was now, you know.  We'd--\nwhile I was working in the bottling house.  For instance, now we can run\nthe bottling house with maybe ten or fifteen people on the line.  Back\nthen, you was looking at seventy-five or eighty people just running,\noperate one bottling line.  And then so the bottling house, you know,\nwe run the day shift and a night shift in the bottling house, you know,\nand so we had five, six lines running in the daytime, five, six at\nnight.  And you go throwing about seventy-five people into a line, so\nthat's a lot of employees was working here during that time.  And so it\nwas all new to me when I first come here, and so I had to learn about\nwhat was going on and how to do.  So I worked in the bottling house,\nI got real interested, and, and I bid on a job in there they call the\nsetup job. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I'd held that first three years I was here at the,\nhere, and then the opportunity come up in shipping where to I could go\nto a team leader's job.  And so I--naturally I was here for the money\nand wanted to learn all I could, too--so I took the team leader's job.\nAnd everything back then was done with boxcars.  We didn't have any\ntrucks come in and out, because everything done with trains; all their\nsupplies come in by trains, everything went out by train.  And so, you\nknow, it was a great deal of difference by loading out the boxcars than\nit was the, the trucks we do nowadays.  But, you know, the, naturally\nthe trains it took longer to get there, but nowadays everything's in\nthe fast motion you got to have the trucks traveling, so it's a--that\nchanged with times.  But after I left the--so I stayed over in the\nshipping department two or three years.  Let's see: I think in 1967\nI went to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the, out over in the warehouse department. And then I went\nover there and I went in the, worked in the office of the clerk at that\ntime, as union employees worked in the office of the clerk.  So I went\nin there and worked a couple years as a clerk, then I come back out of\nthere because I didn't want to be tied down to the office at that time.\nYou know, I was, felt like I had to be out and about, so I come back\nout of the office and I took a job as, actually they called it \"cutting\nbarrels\" in the warehouse.  And what it was, you used a spinning\nwheel that the government required, and you cut all the numbers into\nthe barrels.  And so I had to, I went into the warehouses and I cut\nall these numbers into the barrels.  I don't know; it's probably 450\nto 500,000 barrels that I had to go back and redo all of them.  So I\nspent two or three years doing that, and finally got, when I got that\ndone, then that, that's when I bid permanent into the warehouse ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as a\nteam leader.  Well, I went through the steps over there far as rick\nmachine, pumping, trying to learn every job that was to be available.\nAnd everything anybody else could do, I figured I could do it or do it\nbetter, so that's, I went through those steps.  And so I always pushed\nmyself to the limit to, to do that.  So then in 1983, that's when I\nmoved back into the warehouse office permanent.  And I've been in there\never since.\n \nTROLAND: What was the purpose of the numbers that you were putting on\nthe barrels?\n \nEDDINS: Now that was, at that time that was government-required.  They\nhad to be cut into the wood.  Now we can stencil it on the barrel in\nink, okay? If it's cut into the wood, nobody could change that number,\nsee; that's the idea of the government requiring that.  And I would\nput the date, what date it was that the product was made, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, -\n---------(??), and I'd have to put the day and month and year, put that\non there.  The lot numbers and so on, then you had a code number, that\nsequence of numbers you put in there for the barrels been made that\nday.  And so every day would actually, all that number would go back to\none, you know, each individual day up till--that time we was running,\nwhat, about 800 barrels a day new production going into the warehouses,\nso that's how many barrels that you had to put those numbers on.  So\nactually, then, the number I was putting on there with this spinning\nwheel was about that big around [holds hands approximately a foot\napart].  And all the way around that, you know, it had, you know, ABCs\non it, and then it had one through ten or one through zero.  And so you\nactually spun it with your thumb, and--kind of like using a typewriter,\nonly, you know? So you would actually hit that on the barrel.  And,\nand of course over a period of years you don't actually, you'd get good\nwith that, so you'd just be talking to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"somebody and just write right on\nthe barrel what you wanted to write on it or put numbers on it.  And,\nand it just sounded like a typewriter (imitates sound of typewriter)\nit just going acrosst it, and, but that's, that's kind of, but over\na period of years they quit using that--government didn't require it\nanymore--but I think I still got the old wheel somewheres.  I about\nwore out, hard to tell how many of them I wore out, but that was one of\nthe requirements.  And, and I had to go through, had to climb through\nthe ricks and do those inside the warehouses.  But in later years, the\ngovernment didn't require that to be on there, so then that's when we\ndone away with it.\n \nRIDDLE: You had two sets of numbers--\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: --on your barrel: you had a company number, and then you had-\n-this cut number he's talking about was a, it's a government number.\nThey kept a serial number as well, as well as I can relate.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  Asset numbers, they called them.\n \nRIDDLE: Asset, asset number.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nTROLAND: How did the government account for these barrels? What records\nwere kept ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to ensure that the barrels were properly taxed and so forth?\n \nRIDDLE: Well, when you, when you fill the barrels, that's just, back\nthen was cut number identified that barrel.  And each one of those\nbarrels at that time, they were weighed in and out.  They were weighed\nbefore they come into the fill room, and then they were weighed again,\nand that's where they determined the tariff on the barrel by how much\nproduct was in it, how many gallons were in it.  That went on your\ngovernment record.  Each barrel would not, then, isn't, wasn't a,\ndidn't have like a daily average like we have now, like a sixty-six\npoint zero or whatever.  It would be, like, one maybe would be sixty-\nfour something, and then another one might be sixty-five.  It depends.\nThe barrels weren't as uniform then as they are today.\n \nEDDINS: That's where, like I was talking about, you know, a while ago,\nwhen I spent the, the couple years in there as a clerk.  That's what I\nhad done.  Had those great big long government sheets like this [holds\nhands several feet apart], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I, I would fill those out, and every\nbarrel I would figure out how much it weighed, what it was, how many\nproof count it was per barrel.  Of course, back then, you've got to\nunderstand, we didn't, boy, we di-, I did not even have, naturally,\nno computers.  I did not have no type of adding machine.  All that was\ndone by hand.  And so, you know, that, it was a great big job foo-,\ndealing with those numbers, and that's, and so you'd, we'd complete\nthose records.  And then, of course, naturally everything about,\neverybody had to have a copy, so you had four or five copies deep.\n \nRIDDLE: Um-hm.\n \nEDDINS: And, but everything was kept in files on paper.  In those days\nwas a whole lot of recordkeeping and a whole lot of file cabinets.\nEvery, every day's production, every month, week, everything was kept\nfor, oh, I guess we kept it up, what, as high as twenty years.\n \nTROLAND: I understand that some time in the past ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there was a government\nagent who was on the premises.  What was your interaction with that\nindividual?\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  As a matter of fact, we had an officer where the Blanton\nBurke (??) room is now.  They had an officer, and they probably had,\nwhat, I guess eight or ten--?\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: --government people that, that were in there, and they always\nwas one, at least one in the re-gauging room and one in the--when they\nwere filling--in the dump room that checked after the guys weighing\nthe barrels, or if you were gauging the whiskey out or whatever.  They\nused to, at one time when you, when they were dumping the product\nespecially, you had to, you had to make two check papers: You had\nto have one for your employee that was here, whoever's checking your\npumper or whomever your checker, plus the government also got one,\nand they would check those barrels off, which they come off by serial\nnumber. That's what we were talking about, the cut numbers and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the\ncompany number.  They had to match those numbers.  Today it's just\ndumped by lot number, like whatever day's whiskey that is.  They don't\nhave a serial number on them anymore like they did.  But they had\nprobably, I'd say, eight or ten.  They had some that stayed over here\nin the, in the bottling.  They used to gauge the whiskey in the dump\nroom, and they got what they called an estimated tax versus whatever\nit was when they come through the chill room after it was bottled.  I\nthink that's what it was, what the tax was paid on, and now I think\nit's paid through K storage (??), correct?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: I believe that's correct.\n \nEDDINS: See, back then, you got to understand that government had,\nnaturally, control over everything we had in the warehouses, all of our\nbourbons we had in our tanks, so if we had a lock on it, they did, too.\nWe could take our lock off, but it didn't do any good.  We couldn't\nget into it, because they had to remove their lock.  And that was same\nway; all of our warehouses had two locks on them.  So we'd go around\nevery ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"morning--I've done it many times, and I know Leonard has, too.\nWe'd go around in the morning with a government guy before ti-, work\ntime, and we'd unlock the warehouses.  And we had a check-off list,\nwe'd check the, what warehouses we unlocked, what time it was.  The\ngovernment man had his lock, and so we had, we'd take two locks off.\nAnd then we'd come back and, and was getting our product out.  They\nalso checked the, the whiskey as well as we did.  They proofed it well\nas we did.  They ch-, every movement of whiskey or any type of bourbon\nat all, any type of alcohol, the government had, brought us a (??)\nrelease to us what we could do.  You know, and so everything had to be\nunder a government regulations, even down to the samples, any little\nsample ----------(??), you know, of a barrel, everything is, any type\nof whiskey is, had to be recognized through the government, and they\nhad to have their approval on it.  We made their paperwork and our\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paperwork. They would constantly something come up, if they walked\ninto our area or was dumping over there and something wasn't right and\ndidn't suit them, shut us down.  You know, in fact ----------(??) I\nbeen (??) over in the bottling house, and all at once he'd just walk up\nthere and cut all the lines off.  Okay.  We're shutting her down.  That\nthe proof was maybe, he didn't li-, he didn't like his first check on\nthe proof or something on the bottle.  They was, they was great in one\nsense, you know, the big help to us.  In another sense, we had a few\nof them that weren't the kindest sort of authority once in a while,\nshowing us they was in charge, and they would shut us down, you know.\n \nRIDDLE: They were pretty strict.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: Real strict.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  But they had to be; I understand that.  They had to be\nstrict, you know.  And so, but we--that's one good thing.  I think\nthat's a big advantage to Leonard and I, is we had growed up through\nthat and went by those rules and regulations, and we've ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always go by\nthat today.  You know, those same things that we learnt under those\ngovernment guys, working with them back then, we, we do that today.\nOh, and one reason why we do it, because we signed the papers that we\n(laughs), saying that we'd represent the government anymore on this.\nBoth of us.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  If you receive it in or out, you have to sign it in or\nout.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  So when the government guys left, we took over that,\ntheir part of that, too.\n \nTROLAND: So, I see.  So you really, working as warehouse managers, then,\nyou are taking over the--\n \nEDDINS: Responsibility (??)--\n \nTROLAND: --responsibility of seeing that the--\n \nEDDINS: That's--\n \nTROLAND: --whiskey is properly accounted for.\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: Accounted for, handled correctly, yes.\n \nEDDINS: Shipped in and out correctly.  Between myself, Leonard, and a\ncouple more here at the plant, yes, you know, that's our jobs, to take\ncare of the government work and our work.\n \nTROLAND: So would you describe the relationship between Buffalo Trace\nemployees, distillery employees, and the federal agents as being\nsomewhat adversarial at times? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How, how did you feel about working--\n \nEDDINS: Well--\n \nTROLAND: --with these people in the, in the past?\n \nRIDDLE: I never had a problem working with one of them.  Most of them\nwere pretty nice people, you know; they were nice people, but they were\njust, you know, they, they went by, you had to go by the book.  You\nknow, they had, they got the manual--as a matter of fact, we still have\nthe manuals over there that, you know, that you go by, tells you your\nregulations and stuff.  It was--no, they were--you'd get one once in a\nwhile, you know, that might be a little bit--\n \nEDDINS: But our, our regulations--\n \nRIDDLE: I'm sure we were the same way (laughs), some of us hard to get\nalong with sometimes, too, probably.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  You know, our regulations that we got on manual books\nlike Leonard was talking about, and we go--we went by those, and that\njust would have been, you know, all us has got regulations we go by,\nand one of them is we got, you know, every few years we got union\ncontracts, we'd go by those regulations.  And so, you know, we got to\nbe perfectly on track with all the--of the government regulations, make\ncertain that there is not any mess-ups, you double-check, you ------\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"----(??), you know, and you che-, so we learned to do things and, and\nwithin a--do a stage one, two, three and a four.  Most time jobs carry\nto (??) one and two: you do this job and you double-check it.  Okay,\nbetween Riddle and I, we, we do a, like a four-stage, you know.  So we\ncheck the whiskey four different times to make certain we got the right\nwhiskey we're using, the right whiskey's been aged at the right time,\nso we've got a, like a four-step deal where most people go through a\ntwo-step.  Because there's, we have no room for mistakes.\n \nTROLAND: Now, the two of you have worked together for a long time, and\nso I want to explore those ideas as well as a history of the two of\nyou.  Leonard, when did you, when did you first meet Ronnie, and what\ndid you think?\n \nRIDDLE: I think the first time I really met Ronnie was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when we had a\nflood down here one time.  (laughs)\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And we, at that time, I don't think Ronnie was working in\nthe warehouse at that time, and so we came over to help move all the\nequipment and stuff out of the bottling house and the shipping areas\nand still and whatever.  Everybody was in, you know, general labor, but\nhe got sort of lit up like a Christmas tree.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, sure did.  (RIDDLE laughs) You saved my life.  He jerked\nme loose.\n \nRIDDLE: He originally got this--this adding machine was sitting on this\nmetal desk, and as well as I can remember he had leather, leather-soled\nshoes on.  I had these gumboots on, these, up, you know, almost knee\nhigh or whatever, but anyway, he reached and got this calculator, and\nit, man, it was [makes a shaking motion] this number.  And, of course,\nI gave him a pretty good lick when I got him off of it, but I got him\naway from it.  I, that's really when I guess I got to know Ro-, I knew\nRonnie; I knew who Ro-, who Ronnie was at that time.  I don't remember\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year that was, but it's been quite some time ago.\n \nEDDINS: It's been years and years ago, but yeah, I remember that time\nwell.  I was in, done going down.  I was standing in water about this\ndeep [holds hands approximately a foot apart].  Water was coming up\nfast, and I was done going down.  And Riddle, I think, well, as I\nremember, he got a hold of me, and he got jerked loosed, and then next\ntime he really (RIDDLE laughs) knocked me plumb loose from everything,\nyou know.  And that's the only thing saved me.  If it wasn't for that,\nI wouldn't--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, it was--\n \nEDDINS: --it would have gotten me.\n \nRIDDLE: --this thing, it was sitting on that metal desk, and of course,\nnaturally, it was arcing to that, that water, of course, grounded him\nto the--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --to the power on it, and of course the power wasn't off at that\ntime in the building, so--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, so--\n \nRIDDLE: But that's what I rem-, yeah.\n \nEDDINS: But that was the, that was the one time I was real tickled to\nsee Leonard be around.  (both laugh)\n \nTROLAND: Not the only time, I'm sure.\n \nEDDINS: No.  Oh, no.  No.  We've worked together for many years, and\nwe've, we've helped one another, you know, always been a team effort.\nAnd it's, you know, it's, it's always a, you know, one thing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about\nit, I can always to count on Leonard to be with me at all times.  It's\ngoing to be done right.  There's going to be no mistakes made, so you\ncan feel relaxed.  If you've got something going on, and I, if I st-,\nhead into a problem, I'd go to Leonard and talk to Leonard about it,\nor he'd do the same thing to me, and we'd talk it over.  And when the\noutcome wouldn't come out, you know, we'd be out on top of it, and,\nbut you are constantly hitting all types of problems through your\nlifetimes over here.  And we've, like I say, we've spent forty-some\nyears together, and so we've hit a lot of stumps, you know, and had to,\nto go over and head into things you never get into before, and, but I\nalways found that I could go to Leonard, you know, we can sit down and\ntalk this over, and we'd al-, we'd, between the two of us, we'll figure\nout a way to get this done and the best way to do it.\n \nRIDDLE: Well, I, as you say, we always rely on one another's judgment\nabout things. We, you know, and you take ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his judgment or vice versa,\nyou know, on whatever your decision might be at that time, and so, you\nknow, whatever.  I think that's why we've had a good relationship over\nthere, and because whatever I do, I usually try to keep him informed\nor vice versa, you know.  One or the other guy always knows what--and\nI think that's the best way to operate any kind of a business, not\nonly this here, anywhere else, is, you know, the people that's working\ntogether, you keep everybody around you informed of what's going on.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  A real, real close relationship.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: If we didn't have that real close relationship with one another,\nI kno-, you know, just like I every, just almost any minute I can look\nat my watch.  I know exactly what Leonard's doing; he knows exactly\nwhat I'm doing.  And even though we might even be in two different\nbuildings.  But, and I know what he's thinking about he's got going on;\nhe knows what I'm thinking about.  You know, we, it's go-, that's at\nthat point. But I've found that Leonard ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has been a outstandly guy to\nwork with.  You know, I mean, it's, it's a whole lot, having a total\ntrust in somebody, you know.  And, and I could always do that with\nLeonard, and I hope he has with me too, because we always--\n \nRIDDLE: Sure.\n \nEDDINS: --put a lot of load on each one, on each one other's shoulders\nlike that.  So it's worked great for us.  It mades our jobs a lot\neasier for us here.\n \nTROLAND: When did you first start working together, and what were you\ndoing at that time?\n \nRIDDLE: Back, I guess when we started working together was probably,\nwhat, middle, late sixties?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah--\n \nRIDDLE: --I guess? In the warehouse, he, when he came there to, he bid a\njob over--then they had, like, department seniority, you know.  If you\nwere in a department, that was your department, and you had to bid from\none department to the other.  Of course, he was in shipping or--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --or bottling at that time, whatever, and he bid over on the\ncutting job--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --I think is what he was talking about.\n \nEDDINS: Right.  Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And then I think after that job was exhausted or whatever--at,\nat one time ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they did away with that, that cutting job--we, we worked\ntogether on the rickers, leak hunting, whatever.  Just, you know--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: I'd say probably around '67 or '68, somewhere sort of around in\nthat area, I'd say.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, we worked the rickers together.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah--\n \nEDDINS: Riddle has always been a guy that--\n \nRIDDLE: But--\n \nEDDINS: --that has, when we're running the rickers and things, \"If\nanybody else can do it, I can do it twice as good,\" you know, no matter\nwhat job it was.  So I learned a lot from Leonard on that, and, you\nknow, well, put it this way: one time during the holiday--we ordinarily\ntake eight hours to get our new production into the warehouse.  We went\nover into Warehouse A on this holiday, and Leonard and I were assigned\nto the ricker.  Riddle says, \"I tell you what.\" Says, \"If you'll hang\nwith me,\" says, \"we'll be--we'll have this done in four hours.\" And so\nthe guys said, \"Well, if you all get it done in four hours,\" said, \"you\nall can just go on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"home, and we'll give you eight hours' pay.\" Well,\nyou know, he like to worked you to death, but we did.  He's good at it,\nand, and I put, I try done as much as I could to stay up with him, but\nhe can handle those barrels so easy.  And then ricking those barrels-\n-while I was talking about running the ricker, that's where we take the\nbarrels, the new production, and take it up and put it into the rails;\nhad to roll the barrels into the rails and bung them up, and you do\nthe, like, first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth tier.  And\nso that was the main holdup to try to get things done quick usually,\nif you go into the lower floor in a warehouse, was who operating the\nrickers for you.  So anyway, that day by eleven o'clock, we, we was\ndone and out of here.  And of course, like I say, now I was tired.  I\nknow he had to be, too, but he's--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, the whole key to that, handling those barrels, you let\nthe barrel handle itself, really.  It's a little of a knack to it, you\nknow, it, a 500-pound barrel, you're just not going to manhandle it\nevery time. It's got a lot of, lot of act ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(??) to the, knowing how\nto, where to approach that barrel, how to approach it to make it work\nfor yourself.  It'll, it'll roll itself.  I think that's (laughs) a\nlot of our young guys today, they go out here dragging, you know, they,\nthey try to manhandle that thing.  You know, you just ain't going to\nmanhandle those barrels, or you'll get, it'll take a toll on you after\na while.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  It'll take--\n \nRIDDLE: But we've had some good years down here--\n \nEDDINS: Oh, yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: I mean, we have, and over the years, Ronnie and I, we've, we've\nnever had a social, I guess you'd say \"events\" a lot away from the\nplace.  Mostly ours has been--\n \nEDDINS: Been right here.\n \nRIDDLE: --been right here in the plant.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And that's unusual; usually people that work together a lot like\nthat have a lot of social activities outside, you know, families or\nwhatever.  We've never had that over the years.  Of course, he lives\nin, what, Henry County? And--\n \nEDDINS: Henry County, and you live in Franklin County.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, Franklin County, so--\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: --but anyway, we've had a good relationship over the years, and\nI'm sure it'll ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"continue until we both retire--\n \nEDDINS: Oh, yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --or whatever.  So--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  No doubt of that.  Of course, you know, I'm running\nsixty-six years old--be sixty-seven in a few more months--but, you\nknow, it's kind of a place that's kindy hard to just walk off.  I had\nin mind I was going to retire a few years ago.  You know, you got so\nmuch stuff involved here at the plant that you got another job that\nyou're wanting to do or another experimental that you're wanting to\nwork on, that you want to complete.  There's--it just, you know, if\na person lived two hundred years, he--he continually would work here.\nI thought all about it, and, because it's, it's not something you\ncomplete and walk off.  So every day is an enjoyable day.  You look\nfor doing something better; you try to improve yourself and improve\nthe product. Anything that's making an improvement ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"far as quality and\ntaste-wise, we're looking for it.  And Riddle's the same way.  We've\nalways, we've talked and talked about it.  We've looked at things,\nat different types of products and different places we can age in the\nwarehouses.  And, of course, he's got his favorites (??), favorite\nplace, and I've got my favorite place, too, you know, and--favorite\nwarehouses, favorite floors.  I'm a real believer--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, I've got the best two locations, then (??).  (both laugh)\n \nEDDINS: So anyway, L3, I think, is your favorite spot, and then of\ncourse you--\n \nRIDDLE: L2 and 3 and M2 and 3.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah--\n \nRIDDLE: I think that's the best thing, yeah.\n \nEDDINS: --but, but the o-, you got to understand too, now, his favorite\ndrink is a, is a wheated whiskey, and my favorite is a, is the rye\nwhiskey.  So I like the Buffalo Trace and the Eagle Rares and E.T.\nLee's, and, and Leonard, he's, his main one is, is your Weller sevens\nand twelves and those type of wheated whiskeys.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, it's a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"milder whiskey.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  It's a--\n \nRIDDLE: It's a, it's not a harsher whiskey, at least.  It's a, it don'\nt have that hard bite to it, of cour-, and I think the reason being for\nthat is because you enter it in a lower proof into the barrel, which\nI think has a lot to do with that: 114 versus 125.  It don't get all\nthat hard bite to it like 125 proof goes in, and when it comes out it's\nprobably up in the, back up in the hundred and thirties or whatever when\nit actually ages.  Probably at 114, at I'd say probably 118 or -19 is\nabout as high up as you go back once you dump it and put it into the--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: This is for the wheat whiskeys you're talking about.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: Right, right.  The wheat whiskeys, what we call them.\n \nTROLAND: What is the difference between a wheat whiskey and a rye recipe\nwhiskey?\n \nRIDDLE: Well, your recipe's just, what, 51 percent?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, fifty-one.\n \nRIDDLE: It has to be 51 percent wheat or corn or whatever to call it\nrye or wheat or corn whiskey, or, or whatever.  Of course, your corn\nwhiskey is, it's just a regular ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3000.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recipe, goes back into a used barrel.\nAnd they call it corn whiskey, or it can be bourbon whiskey; you put\nit back in a used barrel.\n \nEDDINS: You can use it for a blend or something.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, for blends.\n \nEDDINS: There's some products out here that uses a--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: --small amount of blend in, you know, something for a product,\nbut--\n \nRIDDLE: That's what your preferred is here: It's corn plus spirits.\nIt's a--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And, of course, it's got so much, what, caramel and--\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: --some other color that's added to it.\n \nEDDINS: This type of mix is not a pure bourbon whiskey.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: So, but you know, the, the thing of it is, like I was talking\nabout there, one of the differences (??) between the rye and the wheat\nis it takes a different location in the warehouse to age that product\nto make for its best of aging.  And L3 is a concrete warehouse, we call\nit; got the concrete, three foot, three foot of concrete in the floors.\nIt don't--and it's got a fifteen-foot ceiling in it. So ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3060.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they're bo-,\nbeing made that way, the temperature change inside that house don't\nchange as fast as one that has got a--\n \nRIDDLE: Right.\n \nEDDINS: --metal siding or these other type of warehouses where it's\ngot a brick on the outside and the, and the structure is wood on the\ninside.  So the temperature in there is not going to change as fast.\n \nRIDDLE: It's more controllable--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --in those type houses, and the airflow in the, in the summer\nmonths, too, and airflow has a lot to do with your aging of whiskey,\nto get airflow through it.  And I, that's one reason why that I like\nthat house there: I think it's set, the positioning of the house, of\nwhere it's at, the airflow around it, I think, is, has a lot to do with\nthe aging of the product in that house.  And, but we've had some good\nwhiskey come out of it.  Of course, now, there's some good whiskey,\nbourbon coming out of some of the other houses, too, but, you know,\nit's--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, it's--\n \nRIDDLE: --depends on what your--\n \nEDDINS: --it's, you know, we've won a lot of prizes and, and stuff over\na period of years, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3120.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whiskey of the Years and different ones,\nand got some very high ratings, and we take all that in consideration,\nyou know.  We remember, we know where this whiskey coming from, and\nso, you know, just like an E.T.  Lee, you know, it's got to be a little\nspicy, and we know that.  And so we know where that's got to, got to be\naged at in the warehouses.  And, and the Eagle Rares, you know, it's a\nli-, got a little different quality of taste to it.  So, and so that's\nthe same way with your regular wheated whiskey, with your regular\nstraight rye whiskey: It's got places in the warehouses, in certain\nwarehouses, it'll age better than other, other spots.  So we have,\nover a period of years, have now learned where those spots are at, the\ndifferent types of whiskey, and that's what we, that's the reason this\nexperimentals is so interesting, because it's a never-ending situation\nthat you learn about this.\n \nTROLAND: Each of you, I'm told, has several favorite ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3180.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"places--\n \nTROLAND: My name is Tom Troland from the University of Kentucky, and\nwe're talking today with Ronnie Eddins on the left and Leonard Riddle\non the right, both from Buffalo Trace Distillery.  This is the Buffalo\nTrace Oral History Project, it's October 16, 2008, and this is the\nsecond of two tapes.  Let's go back to the question that I asked\nearlier: Each of you has certain special places in warehouses that you,\nyou like.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, that's--\n \nTROLAND: Why? What are these places, and what are, for example, Leonard,\nwhat are these places, and what, what's good about them?\n \nRIDDLE: Like I said earlier, you know, everybo-, everyone has a\ndifferent taste for bourbon or whatever, and I'm sort of a, a wheat\nwhiskey person.  I like the, the Weller whiskey, the twelve-year Owsley\n(??) whiskey, and I feel like that the area that I, I like the most is\nwarehouse L3 and 2, I feel like--and M3 and 2--ages that type whiskey\nbetter than it does ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3240.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anywhere else on the lot, just like we were ta-,\nthat's, I think that's what we were just talking about: the airflow,\nthe, to the whiskey, the control of the, con-, I think you can control\nthe humidity, the heat, more into that hou-- that house, for that type\nproduct.  Which, like some of the other products that Ronnie--it might\nnot get that good a flavor at the, in, in that, in that area as a, as\nis the wheat whiskey.  But that's why I like those floors.  And--\n \nTROLAND: So what is different, then, about those floors that makes them\nparticularly useful for--\n \nRIDDLE: I think the airflow--\n \nTROLAND: --wheat whiskey?\n \nRIDDLE: --the heat control--\n \nTROLAND: I see.\n \nRIDDLE: --the position of the building, I guess you'd say.  It, you\nknow, the, you know, you can sit whatever when it's built, see.  I\nfeel like that's got a lot to do with the airflow around the other\nbuildings that come into this building or whatever; I think that's got\na whole lot to do with it.  And some of the other houses on the lot are\nthe same. You know, you've got some other houses that age some good ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3300.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nquality product as well, but of (??) that's, that's where my favorite\nproduct comes from.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, that's the--on those concrete houses like that, you've\ngot, the temperature inside changes slowly, so that mellows the whiskey\nwhen it's got a slow change.  Got a fast change, you're hitting high\nspicy, little bit warmer taste.  Now, Warehouse I and K is my favorite\nwarehouses, because that is for the Buffalo Trace, the E.T.  Lees, and\nthe Eagle Rares, those type of products.  And, and, you know, you get\nup on about the seventh floor of I, for instance, you know, of--every\nmorning the sun comes up, you know, and you've got a dew off the river.\nYou know, that, that, to me that's a big plus for us; it helps age\nour product, so therefore it kindy dries it out every morning, and then\nduring the day the temperature rises, you get pressure in the barrel,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3360.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it pushes the whiskey out into the wood. And by doing this vacuum\nevery night and pressure in the daytime, then you actually pick up some\nspicy taste into your whiskey.  And, like the E.T.  Lee is a kind of a\nreal spicy, got more of a spicy taste.  So you're looking at something\nwith a good flavor that don't burn a lot, but yet it's got enough to\nit to give it kind of a fruity, spicy taste to it.  And that's kind of\nwhat I like about my bourbon, is if it's got a kind of a fruity taste,\na little spicy taste to it, and it's mild and don't, you know, burn\nyou all the way down (laughs).  You know, not like it was years ago,\nback when I first went to (??), first come to work down here.  You\nknow, there, that was a different story.  If a buy--if a person--our\nbig seller then was also the same way. It had to be hot, fiery, high ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3420.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nspicy taste, then that was a big seller.  Okay? If a spate of, state\nof Kentucky, they would, if it was r-, older it was, the more a high\nfiery taste it was and higher spicy taste it was, the more they loved\nit.  And over a period of years, the generation has changed so they\nwant some more of a flavor to it now, nowadays.  So that's, so you get\nto create a different type of taste from back then till now.  One thing\nis, you know, we got to look at, is back in the 1950s and forties and\nearly sixties, a lot of our product went into the barrel at 102 proof,\n105 proof; you know, we were putting it in the barrel at a low proof.\nSo what you was doing there is you was creating, trying to create this\nfiery taste by going high in the warehouse and putting it, and keep\na flavor, you know, on that lower proof. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3480.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over a period of years,\npeople's tastes have changed, so now that's shifted positions in the\nwarehouse.  So therefore our positions goes kind of through a wave, like\nWarehouse C3, C4, it's a high deal, you know, for Eagle Rare, you know,\nthat sort of products.  And so, you know, each--but that's as timely\nas now.  You know, say it's thirty, near thirty, forty years from now,\nyou know, as people's taste changes, then the wave might go up or down,\nand there could be a more of a milder taste or more of a--it's, you\ngot to, you try to base up on what's selling now.  What is it that they\nlike about this product? Then that's what you get to developing.  And\nwhat it's going to be di-, six or eight years from now, that's the big\nthing.  You know, what we aging now, what we putting in the warehouse\ntoday, as of today, you know, I've got us purposed (??) for that eight\nyears from now. I done got it figured ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3540.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out to how many barrels I need\nof this eight years from now, six years from now, you know, all that\nis--but you've got to do that six to eight years in advance, so that's\nthe way we've got to store it in the warehouses.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, if it's something you want to leave in there for a long\nperiod of time, you want her down lower, and if it's going to be in\nthere for a short time, you want it up higher where you get a quicker\naging on the whiskey when it's higher.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: If you're going to dump something for a four-year-old whiskey,\nyou would probably want it up a little bit closer to the top of your\nbuilding than you would at the bottom.  If you want something for a\nten-year-old, then you want it down somewhere--ten- or twelve-year-old-\n-you want it down somewhere lower in your warehouses.  Keep from--\n \nTROLAND: So the warehouse levels--\n \nRIDDLE: --keep from over-aging it.  Yeah, I guess you'd say.\n \nTROLAND: The warehouse has a number of levels.  How many levels do the\nwarehouses typically have?\n \nRIDDLE: Well, you have, your concrete houses have five floors, and they\nhave six ricks on each floor.  And your rack, what we call rack houses,\nare three-high ricks, and I think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3600.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I has nine and so does K, and then of\ncourse you've got your smaller house over there, H, which is only four\nfloors.  That's a good aging house, H, and then Warehouse C you have,\nlike, six floors.  They have three ricks, three ricks to a floor.  And\nyou got D, and I think we're only using, what, eight floors over there?\nSeven or--\n \nEDDINS: Eight fl--\n \nRIDDLE: --eight floors.  That's a ten-high house, but we're only using--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --about eight floors.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, the upper floors are a little hot.  We quit using those;\nthey were a little bit hot.\n \nRIDDLE: Warehouse P is a five hou-, that's a concrete house, and I think\nWarehouse Q, it's a, it's what we call a rack house.  I think when\nit--that house was built back, what, in the forties, maybe?\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: Or whenever.\n \nEDDINS: Nineteen--\n \nRIDDLE: I think the P and Q were built about somewhere during the war\ntimes or whatever in the forties.  And I think both of those houses\nwhen they started building were intended to be concrete houses, but the\nshortage of wood or whatever at that time, or concrete or whatever the\ndeal was, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3660.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but anyway one of them ended up being a rack house and the\nother one being a concrete house.  But both of those houses are pretty\ngood or decent now, too.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.  Yeah, each one of those floors of Q, in other words,\nyou take Warehouse Q: If you take the first, second and third floor,\nit's ideal for product, you know, that we would use for a fifteen,\neighteen-year-old product.  It's, it would let it age but not over-age.\nWe want to keep something that is unique, got a real unique taste to\nit, something different than somebody else's.  Yeah, ----------(??)\njust like the George T. Stagg fifteen-year-old.  Then you gots, you\nknow, so we go-, you know, we got some different products that requires\nextra slow.  And--\n \nRIDDLE: Well, a lot of your twenty-year-old Van Winkle here the last few\nweeks that we bottled, it came out of that house over there. That's a-- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3720.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  You had a little part (??)--\n \nRIDDLE: --a Van Winkle whiskey that that we bottled.\n \nTROLAND: So those extremely old bourbons--twenty years old, of course,\nis very old for a bourbon--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: They tend to be aged in the lower levels of the house.\n \nRIDDLE: Correct.\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: That's correct.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm, um-hm.  Yeah--\n \nRIDDLE: If you put them up on the top floor, it would be so hot, you\nknow, it would really be, the flavor of it would be--\n \nEDDINS: It'd--\n \nRIDDLE: --it'd have a terrible bite to it.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, it ages too fast on a top floor.  But you got to\nunderstand, now, the top floors of Warehouse I and K, in the ninth\nfloor, it gets mighty hot in the summertime up there, and the pressure\non the, the liquid inside that barrel is pushing so deep into the wood,\nit's pulling out a real fiery, woody taste--\n \nRIDDLE: Right.\n \nEDDINS: --okay? But what's on that very first floor down there, it's,\nit's not.  So it's under-aged.  So when you take a four-year-old, this\none up here's going to taste like a six-year-old.  This one down here's\ngoing to taste like a two-year-old.  So what Riddle and I'll do, we'll\npull, say, like 100 barrels of that and 100 barrels of this, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3780.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we put\nit in a 100,000-gallon tank over there of the four-year-old product.\nNow you've got a good level product, you know, that's, that tastes the\nsame.  So it's, it's good for its own use, but you've got to watch what\nyou're doing and how you use it.  You know, that's--the upper floors,\nyou know, it over-ages so fast, but you've got spots that don't, you\nknow, that comes along slow.  And so that's what he means.\n \nTROLAND: Imagine two barrels from the same batch that are stored right\nnext to each other--so same level, same warehouse.  Would you expect\ndifferences between those two barrels?\n \nEDDINS: Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: Yes, it would be different.  Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: If so, what types of differences might you expect?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: Could be the, could be the wood; it could be in the wood or the--\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.  Yeah, you can t--\n \nRIDDLE: --yep, airflow or whatever, yep.\n \nEDDINS: --and you can turn one around, you--each barrel, you got to\nunderstand, each barrel, you know, you've got thirty-one, thirty-two\nstaves in that, in that barrel.  Okay? And the headboards, you got\nseven or eight headboards on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3840.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"each head. So you got fourteen headboards,\nyou got thirty-two staves.  Okay, out of those staves, those could\nbe coming out of different trees, you know, and those boards do.  And\nthose, and the wood that's in those trees, the north side of a tree\nis different than the, than the south side of a tree.  And so you get\ndown into the specs of the tree, and that will act your (??) whiskey\nage differently.  And then you get close to the inside of the tree,\nthe hard part of the wood, then it's closer grains and it don't soak as\ngood, so that's still going to make it age differently.  So therefore\nyou can take twenty-six barrels and have them in a rail, and more than\nlikely if you really know your product real well and can pick it up,\neach one of those barrels is going to have a just a hair different\ntaste to it.  It might match our Buffalo Trace or Eagle Rare profile\nthat we're looking for, but the guys that does it daily, in and out, he\ncan tell a difference between ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3900.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this barrel and that barrel. And--\n \nRIDDLE: It might be the wood, like he was thinking of, or it, you know,\nthe barrel could maybe have got a little air in it or something, you\nknow, could have got to the product or something during the time while\nthey had a wormhole or something [like] that repaired.  It could be a\nlot of different things.\n \nEDDINS: And it could be where the sun is shining through the window and\nhitting on this barrel.  It'll make--you know, you can take a, one of\nthem (??) over in Warehouse C. The first barrel on the south side--that\nbarrel, say, up on the fourth floor where that sun kindy shines in\nthere and hits that barrel for about a hour each day? That barrel is\ngoing to be high spicy, but yet it's going to be a real gold, mellow\nsugary taste, like a brown sugar taste to it.  And that second barrel\nback is going to be a different taste to it.\n \nRIDDLE: Sure.\n \nEDDINS: Because the sun hasn't hit that one.\n \nTROLAND: Tell me a little bit about wood selection.  I know that, just\nas you were saying, plays a big role in the final product.\n \nEDDINS: Well--\n \nTROLAND: How do you ensure good, good wood?\n \nEDDINS: Well, we, we have our guys when we purchase ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=3960.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our barrels, our--we\nknow the type of wood we're looking for in these barrels, and we have\nour graders, we call it, up to the branch and look at each individual\nbarrel as we're unloading them.  We want our wood to be something\nthat's solid, naturally, to hold our bourbon: no, no cracks in it,\nno big holes in it, or splinter wood or wind shakes, we call it.  And\nalso we want our wood to be, the grain-wise, about a medium grain,\nwhat could we call a coarse grain and say is, is seven, seven to ten\ngrains per inch, you know, of the wood; if you put a ruler down on\nit and you see the markings running through it, the growth grains, it\nwould be about seven to ten.  That wood is, has growed too fast.  That\nmeans it's growed in a low-lying area in, in the country, rich soil,\nand it don't age as w-, the whiskey as, as good.  So we want something\nin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4020.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"between that ten to fifteen grains per inch, okay? And what happens\nthere is that slows the penetration of the wood up and lets it age in\nthe, in the barrels a more of a mellow taste to it.  And then, so, you\nknow, that's kind of what we prefer to.  You can pretty well look at a\npiece of wood and tell where it was growed at, and the wood, and the,\nand on the side of a hill, the north side of a hill, then that wood\nthere's going to be so tightly grained, it's going to be hard to age\nwhiskey in that, because it don't breathe.  It's almost put like in a\ncon-, a metal container.\n \nRIDDLE: You have specs on your barrels, you know, like the moisture\ncontent of the stave and that.  They have a way of te-, we have a probe\nover there.  You probe the barrels to see what the moisture content,\nand it, what, about twenty to ten to twelve--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --would be ideal?\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: You don't want anything too dry that goes in there because what\nit'll do is just (??) suck the whiskey in real quick.  You don't want\nit real green because it would, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4080.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your whiskey wouldn't, it'd give it a\ngreen--\n \nEDDINS: Flavor.\n \nRIDDLE: --taste, you know, or whatever coming out of it.  So you don't\nwant your, your heads or your staves of your barrel to be e-, too wet\nor too dry; they have to be in a certain area.  They, they check those\ndown there where we buy our barrels as well as they do here, plus\nthey check the sapwood on the barrels to see if they're not sappy or\nwhatever.  You have a, what do we use?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, we got a meter.\n \nRIDDLE: The meter or--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, we got--\n \nRIDDLE: --whatever they check them with.\n \nEDDINS: --we got different ways of checking those.  We got meters for\ncertain things, but we don't want any sapwood because that sapwood\nwould definitely, you know, ruin the flavor of our product.  And we\ndon't want to pick it up any extra amount of moisture, you know, like\nRiddle was talking about, you know, if it's in around the twelve, no\nmore than fourteen, range moisture in the wood.  We don't want that\nregular moisture out of that tree, so therefore we just want our wood\nto lay actually for six months after it's been cut and to dry out.\nAnd ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4140.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so that's one of our specs (??) on the wood, you know, is if you\ncut a tree down and saw it up into a barrel, then you have--and do it\ntoo quick--then you've got too much of the sapwood of the tree mixed\nin with it.  We want a portion of that, because we want to pick up the\nvanillas and the--and you got a lot of different flavors in that wood,\nbut we want to bring it out according to the way we want to age our\nwhiskey and to mix with it.  So when those chemicals go reenacting with\nour alcohol and the wood, then that, it creates a different flavor.\nAnd sometimes it, the whiskey don't, or really alcohol, it don't\nrea-, I guess what I'm getting at is sometimes a two- or three-year-old\nbarrel that's got whiskey in it, it still hasn't started changing much.\nIt actually starts, if it was in there, say, six or eight years, then\nthe chemicals go reacting more and give a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4200.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different flavor. And so the\nquality of the wood plays a big part of that.  And so that's, that is a\nvery, very important part of our operation, is having real good barrels.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, I think, what, all our wood has to be aged at least, what,\nsix months?\n \nEDDINS: Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: And I know there's a lot of places they use wood that's not\nsix-month-old wood, and, but that's one of the requirements, one of the\nspecs on it.  It has to be ----------(??), what, number three char, I\nthink is what we use?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  Number four char.  We used to only use number three,\nand now we use the number four char.  But, and the reason we went to\nthe number four char is we wanted to pick up some \"X\" amount of color,\nsome \"X\" amount of caramels out of the wood.  That's one of the things\nthat has changed over the period of years: the taste requirements I'm\nspeaking of earlier, that if you had a twenty-year-old, what would\ntaste good ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4260.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to a person twenty years ago don't taste so good to a person\nas of today.  So then that's one thing we had to change a little bit of\nthe op-, what we do there.  And then the type of wood, you know, it's\nlike that tree that has growed out here.  It's a pretty white oak tree\ngrowed out in open fields.  It'd be a beautiful tree, but it's not good\nfor bourbon whiskey because it is got, it's picked up too fast a growth\nof sapwood inside of it.  It's pulled a lot of rich soil in with that\ntree, and we want that tree to grow kind of slow and--\n \nRIDDLE: Grain would be too wide in it.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  Grain would be too wide, and then, but see, they sour\neasy.  That, you know, you cut one of those trees down that got the\nwide grain, and it's just got so much liquid in it, it'll sour.  And so\nit plays a--we always found that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4320.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trees that mainly come out of Eastern\nKentucky or Ozark Mountains are some of the top quality trees that, for\nbourbon whiskey.\n \nTROLAND: Do you select in some way the trees, the individual trees on\noccasion?\n \nEDDINS: I have done it, yes.  Yeah.  I have went out to inspect trees.\n \nTROLAND: But you don't select all the trees--\n \nEDDINS: No, I don't.  No.\n \nTROLAND: --just a small portion.  What have--\n \nEDDINS: We had--\n \nTROLAND: --you found from these trees you've selected? What, what effect\nhas that had on the bourbon?\n \nEDDINS: Well, you know, Independent Stave is a company that's a\nvery big company that makes barrels.  Probably, I guess they're the\nbiggest company of all, far as making bourbon barrels, and we have\na lot of companies out there.  And we've always, we had a real close\nrelationship with Independent Stave Company and run a lot of (??)\nexperimentals together.  They would have a suggestion--John Boswell,\nwe worked together many, many year, stayed on the phone late, midnight\nevery night, you know, going over ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4380.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things, working how we could do this\nand do that and make things a little, taste a little better.  So he was\nthe owner of Independent Stave, John, and his goal was to make the very\nbest a barrel could be made, you know, for bourbon whiskey.  And he\nalways pushed for any type of change he could make to, to improve it.\nSo that wa-, that we done, you know, like I say; day in and day out we\nwould talk to one another, and he'd find time--he was a very busy guy,\nbut he always found time to talk to me.  And I'd call him about certain\nthings and ask him had he tried this or tried that.  And, so anyway,\ntheir goal was, you know, to always have a top-quality barrel, so we\nhad a close relationship there, and we've managed to--he knows what I\nwanted for the warehouses here, the type of barrels we want, so he, he\nhad his guys ----------(??) to meet our specs.  We wrote up our specs,\nwhat we wanted, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4440.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he, and they go by that. So it's, you know, I think\nevery distillery operation has got their own specifications of type of\nwood, and it depends on the type of warehouses they putting into, meets\ntheir needs.  And, but if our needs here at Buffalo Trace, and our--and\nwe're very fortunate here to, we have every type of warehouse that\nwe can age whiskey in that anybody else would have: we got the metal\nhouses, we got the concrete houses, we got the rack houses.  We're\njust f-, real fortunate to be sitting right here on the edge of the\nr-, Kentucky River, get that morning fog comes in, plays a big part of\nour aging process.  We, even now that we're in the hot and dry summer\nmonths, you need a little bit of moisture to make your product age\ngood.  So we, we, we can get that off of the Kentucky River.\n \nTROLAND: How is a rick house different from the other types of\nwarehouses?\n \nEDDINS: The rick house--the rack house, we call ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4500.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it--is, it's wood.\nIt's all built out of wood on the inside, and it, and it's got brick\non the outside.  If some reason or another that the brick was to fall\naway from the building, the, the barrels still be standing there, and\nit don't su-, depend on the support of the concrete to hold the, the\nwarehouse up.  Now, that's the rack house with the, with the brick on\nthe outside.  Then we also got the rack warehouse with the metal on\nthe outside.  Okay? And, of course, it is, the metal actually, it don't\nhelp support the warehouse; it just helps keep the heat in and out--the\ncold out, you know, and the heat, so forth.  But it'll warm up quicker.\nNow, the metal--\n \nRIDDLE: A lot, a lot of your older distilleries rely mostly a lot on\nyour metal houses, and the reason being for that is the heat.  The\nmetal, it attracts the heat, the sun, especially in the winter, when\nthey didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4560.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have, a lot of your houses at that time wasn't heated. And\nthat, the sun on that--the roof, the side, you know--would attract a\nlot of that, and of course in the summertime, actually, you're going\nto get a lot, and have to open them to keep them aired out.  But they\nwould get a lot more heat from--of course, as they're going along, I\nguess later forties or whenever they built these other rack houses, put\nthe brick on them--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah--\n \nRIDDLE: --most all those houses are heated.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, see, that's--\n \nRIDDLE: But--\n \nEDDINS: --one thing we didn't mention, I guess, the one thing to you,\nis that our warehouses here at Buffalo Trace, all of them are heated.\nWe heat our warehouses through the winter months with steam heat, and\nwe keep the temperature around fifty-two to fifty-five degrees.  We\nopen the windows up every time we can, air them out, heat them back\nup.  So our whiskey ages twelve months out of a year where a lot of\nour distillery's competitors, they age their whiskey through the summer\nmonths. Through the winter months ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4620.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it gets down in the twenties, their,\ntheir houses are not heated, so their whiskey just lays there dormant.\nYou know, it's not aging.  And so we've got a little better control.\nIt costs a little--quite a bit, you know--to heat our warehouses, but\nwe, we, and we gain by it because we put out such a better product, and\nwe can take our product and turn it into what we expect it to do.  We\nhave more control of it that way.  So, and, and we can more or less,\nif you wanted something that real s-, taste is outstandingly sweet,\noutstandingly spicy, or whatever category or product that we want to\nproduce, we can do it here by aging our whiskey.  And, but, you know,\nwe're very fortunate we, we can do this.\n \nTROLAND: Tell me a little bit about the Buffalo Trace Antique Collection.\n \nEDDINS: This Antique Collection ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4680.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is--we've got some very, very\noutstanding products.  The Antique Collection is something that is\nchecked constantly for taste-wise, quality-wise.  There is a lo-, a\nlot of time put into this Antique Collection.  It's a very high premium\nproduct.  We have, we've put it in certain spots in the warehouses,\nall these nice spots that we speak of that we try to age our products,\nyou know, for different types of whiskey.  The Antique Collection falls\ninto those categories.  Okay? And we are constantly pulling samples of\nthose, see, to make certain it's aging right.  And so when we, over to\nthe lab, when we come up with a, a quality taste-wise of a certain type\nAntique Collection, what we think is the very best high quality taste,\nthen we go to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4740.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hunting for that and we put this in those areas to make\nit match out, you know, to age for that, for that particular product.\nSo there is a lot of work goes into that.  There is a lot of tasting\ninvolved.  There's more than--Riddle and I play a great big part in it,\nmake certain it's all done right.  We depend a whole lot on the lab,\na lot of tasters to get their opinions how it is doing.  And so, in\norder to put out a top-quality product, we want it to be the very best\ncan be put out there on our Antique Collections.  So, and, but we don't\nwant to throw something out there just because they think it's going to\nsell.  We want it to be nice.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, each one of those barrels in that, in that--let's say,\nlike, your George T. Stagg, for instance--each one of those barrels\nare sampled and taken to the lab, and if it doesn't meet that certain\nstandard, then it's just rejected out.  You only take the ones that\nare, meets that profile for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4800.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that, what they're wanting at that time.\nYou may go over, what, 120 barrels or so, and then you may only dump\nmaybe, say, what, eighty or ninety, or--?\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: Somewheres in that area.  Not that those others are bad whiskey,\nbut they're--product--but they just may not be just aged just exactly\nright at the time, which I guess in some cases we'll either move them\nup or move them down if they're not over-aged, or--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah--\n \nRIDDLE: --if they're under-aged we'll probably move them up to--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, it might not taste like the George T. Stagg fifteen-year-\nold, but it might taste great--\n \nRIDDLE: Right.\n \nEDDINS: --for the seventeen-year-old Eagle Rare.  You know?\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: It's not, it's not rejected because it's got a bad taste; it's\ngot the different, little different taste.\n \nRIDDLE: Just don't have that, it don't meet that standard or that--\n \nEDDINS: That product.\n \nRIDDLE: --what you're looking for.  It may be something would go in,\nlike he said, into an Eagle Rare or whatever.  Same thing with your\nseventeen-year-old or your William Larue or any of those products that\nthey have in there: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4860.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a, they've got a certain standard for that,\nand that's what they look for.  Each one of those barrels are sampled\nseparately.  I mean, they've got a sample they take out of them, about\na half or 200 mil out of each one of them, and be sure that they do\nmeet that before we dump them and put them together.  But most of those\nbarrels, when we put them all together, then we re-barrel those and\nthey'll go--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  So throughout--\n \nRIDDLE: --put it all together.\n \nEDDINS: --you know, the seventeen-year-old product that we pulling out\nand sample, we pretty well know what it's going to taste like seventeen\nyears prior to that.  So, you know, you start putting back, you know,\nwe've got some very special quality barrels.  We knowed we had them in\nthe warehouses for years, you know, but we didn't (??) really put them\nout in all these Antique Collections.  But Riddle and I knowed we had\nthese very special products, you know, and so anyway over a period of\nyears with our marketing, and then, and then ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4920.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mark Brown come aboard,\nand his big, he's been wonderful working with us on some of this stuff.\nAnd so we was tickled to death to put some of these products out on\nthe market where we didn't used to do it.  Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: What role did you both play in developing this idea?\n \nEDDINS: Well, we knowed that there was a lot of good pl-, spots in the\nwarehouses for some outstanding products, but we di-, but if you were\nbottling, say, like, a six- or eight-year-old product, and you dumping\neverything you can for the six- or eight-year-old product, those went\nin with it.  You know, because it was, you just putting this in a\n100,000-gallon tanks, and they just bottling out of those 100,000-\ngallon tanks.  All right, but when you, on this Antique Collection, and\nwe found out those special products we had them there, now we get to\nuse them as a special product.\n \nRIDDLE: A lot, some of those products were discovered through some of\nthe, I guess you'd say \"experimental areas,\" with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=4980.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe, maybe we were\n[whistle sounds] experimenting with a different type of barrel or a\ndifferent type of whiskey, or a different location or--\n \nTROLAND: Excuse me.  Could you just begin that again? We had that noise\nthere.\n \nTRAVER: Could you tell us what that noise was?\n \nEDDINS: Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: That was a whistle.  (TRAVER and RIDDLE laugh)\n \nEDDINS: That's for lunch, lunchtime.\n \nRIDDLE: It's a--yeah.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: They blow the--\n \nEDDINS: They blow the steam whistle for lunch.\n \nRIDDLE: You see, it goes off--\n \nEDDINS: Twelve o'clock.\n \nRIDDLE: --at seven, twelve and 3:30.\n \nEDDINS: Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: I done lost my train of thought now.  Oh, it's, it's like where\nmaybe they were experimenting with something, you know: a different\ntype of wood or a dif-, or not wood, but maybe a different type of\nbarrel or how it's put together or whate-, you know, and I think whe-,\nthat was where some of those ideas came from those.  It were barrels\nthat we had, but we didn't know really what they want to use them for,\nand they come up with those ideas to where to put them, you know, how\nthey should be aged, what the profile of that should be or whatever.\nThrough a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5040.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot of it, not all of them, but some of them come through\nexperimental reasons or whatever.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  But it's, you know, I'm very tickled to death that we\nget to use these Antique Collections and that we put them out on the\nmarket.  And, you know, just like myself, and I know Riddle does, too,\nyou know, these go out on the market and people are going to brag them.\nIt makes you feel good that the product you know it did you to, that\nyou've had a, played a real big part in aging this product, getting it\nready for the public, you know.  And of course, you know, it's, it's a\nteamwork deal over here at the plant.  You know, we got to do our part;\nthe lab's got to do their part.  Everybody that's involved in aging\nthis whiskey's got to do their part, from on down to the guys opening\nup the windows certain times, closing them certain times, and they help\nage this.  And so, you know, it's--and taking care of our products in\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5100.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"warehouses. So, you know, of course, like I say, every time we\ncome in with a big award or something, and, and I get some reports, and\nI look down the listing--okay, here we got five more gold medals today\nor something--you know, you feel great about it, and then, \"Okay, now\nI've got five, but now I need eight,\" you know.  Can we, we can, we\ncan beat this.  You know, there's always a step above that, and so I'm\nlooking, I'm still looking for that perfect bourbon yet to make.  I'm\nstill working on it.\n \nTROLAND: Speaking of that work, right behind you both, of course, is the\nBuffalo Trace Experimental Collection.  So tell me a little bit about\nthe origin and the circumstances of that, that collection.\n \nEDDINS: Well, I think one of the things there, we have a lot of\nexperimental barrels in the warehouse; we have about fifteen hundred\nbarrels in the warehouse, experimental barrels, and these barrels are,\ngot different types--different types of wood.  We might have some with\nsome different wood to come ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5160.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out, different countries, we put it in at\ndifferent proofs, we've took some d-, barrels that has been old whiskey\nand put it back in new whiskey barrels, maybe once or twice put in\ndifferent locations in the warehouses, and those type of experimentals.\nSo that's the kind what you see here, is that I think this right here--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: --must be that--\n \nRIDDLE: Different, different types of way they--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --fired the wood, different type of wood, like the French oak,\nthe American oak.  The French oak has got a sort of a, I guess you'd\ncall it a, what, a yellow cast to it? Or--\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: --little different color with it.  It's a real fine, it's a\nfiner grain.  Now, I think that's one of those that you'll see here.  I\ndon't, I'm not sure--\n \nEDDINS: But--\n \nRIDDLE: --what you're looking at.  And then there's some of those are\nsome whiskey that was re-barreled--\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: Re-barreled in, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5220.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out of an old barrel and into a new barrel or\nvice versa, or whatever.  I think there's one of them that had, that we\nput inserts--?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  We had--\n \nRIDDLE: --into it with a different type of product in it.\n \nEDDINS: You know, we try just about every type of experimental you could\nthink of.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: If it popped in our mind, we would try it.  You take a four-\nyear-old whiskey and put it in a new barrel.  Take a six-year-old\nwhiskey and put it back in a new barrel.  Take a eight-year-old, a\nten-year-old, and recycle that, and do that, say, maybe twice, and\nthat'd be, say, eight years the first time, six years the second time,\nyou know, something like that.  What are we going to wind up with? And\nso those type of experimentals--and a lot of them has turned out great.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, I think some of those, I guess some of them are there.\nThe, the wine cask that came in--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --that we put bourbon in that wine cask that, I don't know, it\ncame out of, what, California? Or wherever they came from.\n \nEDDINS: But--\n \nRIDDLE: ----------(??), they were wine casks, and they had wine in the\nbeginning, and then we put--\n \nEDDINS: Put aged--\n \nRIDDLE: --aged whiskey in there.  I think it was, what, something like\nit was four, five, six years old in that barrel--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5280.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"--and let it sit for--God, I don't know--maybe six or eight\nyears.\n \nEDDINS: So, but no, we've, it's been a, you know, we've, every type of\nexperimental we can think of, that's what we'll shoot for, and see what\nwe can learn from it.\n \nTROLAND: You talked earlier about char.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nTROLAND: What is meant by the term \"char\"--\n \nEDDINS: Okay, the char is--\n \nTROLAND: --and how does it affect--?\n \nEDDINS: --is, is where the barrel is actually burnt on the inside when\nthey're making their new, new barrels.  And what they do, they'll put\nthe barrel together and without both heads being in it they got a metal\nring around it, all right? And then they fire--this, this barrel sits\novertop of this fire, and it shoots up through it and, and it burns\nthat wood on the inside.\n \nRIDDLE: It's what gets a lot of your color into your product.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  So it turns, so it'll burn that barrel down till it looks\nmore like, we call it an \"alligator skin look.\" It kind of opens up,\nbreaks open, and turns it real black ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5340.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the inside. And so you're\nlooking at probably an eighth of an inch thick that's burnt into the\nwood.  And, and by doing that, you're pushing the caramels and some of\nthe outer flavors of the wood back into the wood.  Okay, and by doing\nthat, then that's when you put your product in there, and then you try\nto bring it back out, and you're trying to hold that without losing it.\nAnd, so as a, as the number three char, see, is a, is a lighter char.\nSo, and a number four is naturally burnt deeper into the wood.  And\nthen we also have one we call a \"toast,\" and we will actually, we'll\nburn the barrel, take a spray of dampness in there, put the fire out,\nthen let it cool, and then we go back and re-toast it again.  Okay, but\nwhen you're doing that re-toast, you are, what you pushed into the wood\ndeep, you suck that blood (??) back out and getting it closeder to the\nsurface. Okay, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5400.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and when it brings it back closeder to the surface of\nthe wood, those chemicals and those caramels and the sugar contents,\nvanillas, then your product, you can put it at a lower floor and pick\nthat flavoring up without going up high with it.  You know, going into\nthe wood.  So we, we make our barrels about an inch thick, and you got\nto understand that the bourbon whiskey will go into that wood as it\nages a half that thickness of the, of that stave, and it'll go in, say,\na half an inch.  Only there's some spots in there that wood's going to\nhave a little softer spots in the wood, or been a knot somewhere down\non the outside of the tree that created a little wrinkle in it.  That's\ngoing to go a little bit past that half an inch, so that's the reason\nwhy we go, one thing, want the wood to be an inch thick.  So when we\nare heating this wood up to char it, we don't want that stave to get\nthat hot either, because you're going to kill the wood ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5460.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the way\nthrough.  So--\n \nRIDDLE: That's what I was talking about there a while ago, like a\nnumber three, number four char: number two char, three char, four char.\nThat's, that's the length of time that they, they burn that barrel.  I\nthink a, what, number--\n \nEDDINS: Seven.\n \nRIDDLE: --four's, like, about fifty-s-, -five seconds?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: When it goes through that burner.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: I believe it's something like that; I believe it's fifty-five\nseconds.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, we now try some number seven char--three and a half minute\nburn--and, you know, it, and the wood actually, when at that point in\ntime you burn it and get it that hot, it gets f-, the, you wouldn't\nreally think it, but it gets flexible, almost like a rag.  You know, it\nsort of gets flimsy, that wood will.  You wouldn't think that oak would\nget that flimsy, but it will.  It'll get all crooked and out of shape.\nThat was--we tried some of those, and they, it's not too good for our\nproduct, you know.\n \nTROLAND: So number seven is the most-charred type?\n \nEDDINS: That's a high char.\n \nRIDDLE: That's a high char.\n \nEDDINS: It's burned deep.\n \nRIDDLE: We use a, I think we use number four.\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: Used to use a number ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5520.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three.\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: I believe that's correct.\n \nEDDINS: Right.\n \nRIDDLE: Four's, I believe it's, what, fifty-five seconds they--?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: I believe it's burned, fifty-five second burn.\n \nTROLAND: And moving from a number three char in the past to a number\nfour char in the present had what effect upon the final product?\n \nRIDDLE: Gives you a little more--\n \nEDDINS: Okay (??)--\n \nRIDDLE: --flavor, I guess, to your barrel.  Gives you a little more\ncolor.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  Really, mainly (??), you got to understand, too, see,\nwell, I'm--the whiskey that we was putting in the barrel back years\nago--this was several years ago now--was 110, 115 proof.  Okay? And\nwe found out that we could put it in the barrel at 125 proof and not\nhurt our flavor process.  Okay, but now we lose some color, because\nyou got to add some more distilled water to it to bring it back down to\nbottling proof.  And that running that number four char, you ge-, you\npick that color back up.\n \nRIDDLE: Correct.\n \nEDDINS: And so now you can bring it back down.  You want that good\namber-looking ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5580.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"color, you know, you get your bourbon goes out on the\nmarket.  So, you know, if you got to put a whole lot of distilled water\nin it to bring the proof back down, then you've got a real light color,\nand we wanted to keep our color, too.  It played a big part in it.  So,\nand then we'll notice, too, that the spices has changed a little bit.\nSo we can actually go with the number four char and get a higher spicy\nquality in less years of aging.  So, and the bottom line is, if you\nput the product in the barrels they produce over here in the ----------\n(??)----------- and say if you're putting down around 600 barrels a day,\nif you put it in the barrel at 125 proof, you've got to save the 600\nbarrels.  If you put it in, say, at 115 proof or 110 proof, you know,\nyou might have 650 barrels.  Okay, add the other fifty barrels that\nyou had purchased and stored in the warehouse: you took 50 barrels of\nstorage, 50 barrels of purchase, 50 barrels that you got to handle at\n$5 a barrel, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5640.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, and then $120 a barrel for the barrels you put\nit in.  By the time you count all the \"X\" amount of cost up that went\ninto this, then you had a whole lot more money into your products.  So,\nand so then it's a chain reaction.  When you get ready to sell it, you\nstill got to have that money coming back.  So if you can make a, a,\na outstanding product at a lower cost, you know, and all distilleries\nwent to that.  So, you know, we wasn't the only one.  We might have\nbeen the, one of the first ones, but they, all the distilleries kind of\nfell in line with that 125 proof.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah, most of all of them in each, they have some special\nproducts they put in less, but not--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --not too many.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  But now the, the, the wheated product, we still stay with\n114 proof on that.  Because it does, you know.  But that, so that's the\nreason why the number three char and number four char plays a big part,\nbecause we went to that 125 proof in the barrel, and we want to still\nhave a good product put out on the market. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5700.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then, like I say, and\nit, and our c-, it, it cut our costs way, way back, too.  The amount\nof storage, well, space in the warehouses, the amount of barrels we\nhad to buy, and it cost, like I say, any time you put these barrels\ninto the warehouse, you got to take them back out, so you got to handle\nthem twice.\n \nRIDDLE: Well, just like, you know, take talking about your difference\nin your cost, like you'll probably have on your wheat whiskey and\nyour, your rye recipe, probably that day that you distill that, you've\nprobably got about the same amount of gal-, of wine gallons that you\nhad with the wheat as you did with the rye, wheat recipe.  I mean\nversus the corn or whatever.  And you, you reduce that down to 114,\nand you're going to get about 410, 12, 15 barrels out of that, the\nwheat whiskey, whereas the rye recipe would've probably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5760.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had around 380,\n385 barrels.  That's the difference in the proof in the barrel at 125\nversus 114, would be that many barrels a day.  So you're talking about\ntwenty-five or thirty barrels that you would buy per day more, plus\nyou're taking up your storage space as well.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: Would be quite expensive.\n \nTROLAND: What do you think has been the most successful part of the\nExperimental Collection program? What have you liked most about that?\n \nEDDINS: Well, I'll tell you one, the one--the, the experimentals or the\nAntique Collection, now? If you're speaking experimentals, I think that\none of the most exciting thing I ran into was the French oak.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: It will definitely fool you.  A French oak barrel, you can\nput product in it, and for the first six years, a white oak has got\na better taste to it.  Okay? And then all at once, after it goes past\nthe six-year point, the French oak, the--you got to understand the\nchemicals are a little different in it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5820.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because, you know, where it was\nraised at and the type of wood it is.  So then it goes reenacting with\nyour chemicals in your, in your whiskey product, and then it just goes\ntremendously starting going the other way.  It creates this real good,\nsmooth quality taste, the French oak does, but it is so expensive to\ndeal with.  You know, it's, you know, you can run a small experimental\non it and something like that, but you know, you've given six hundred\ndollars for a barrel versus one hundred dollars for a barrel, too, to\nstore it in.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: And then--so, you know, all that plays a part.  But what\nI couldn't really get over is, when I was starting to induce\nexperimentals on the French oak, is how can it be s-, not near as good\nas the product that we were working with? Okay, then this is a failure;\nit's not working too good.  Then all at once it starts lighting up like\nturning the light on.  It just gets brighter, brighter and brighter.\nAnd then you go from a six year, eight ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5880.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year to ten years to twelve\nyears, and it just keeps changing.  And that's--well, some of it might\nbe in the bottles that are behind us.  You know, that is, some of the\nexperimentals that we've put out has been outstanding.  It is something\nthat I was very proud of we done, and we were going to carry it on\nthrough, and if I'd give up on it in six years, I would have lost all\nthat information.\n \nRIDDLE: The experiment that I, reflects to me more than any of them is\nthe one that we did with a vacuum in the barrel that, where we heat the\nbarrel up, the vacuum or whatever.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.\n \nRIDDLE: That--what I learned from that--I don't know what everybody else\nlearned from it--was that you can't fool Mother, Mother Nature.\n \nEDDINS: No, that's true.\n \nRIDDLE: It's got to be done by Mother Nature.  You can't, you can't\nforce it to do, to do--it's got to, got to go with time.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: That's the one we run there on--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: ----------(??) remember that thing (??) five, six years --------\n--(??).\n \nEDDINS: Yeah, and Warehouse K and the shipment--\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: --we were in there.  We--\n \nRIDDLE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=5940.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a pump, and you put it in there, and it heats it up in\nthe day, and then it would cool down at night.  And it'd try to heat it\nand cool it.  Of course, you had right, laying right beside of it, some\nbarrel aging from nature, right bes-, right beside of it.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And the barrel was at, actually the, I thought--that's, of\ncourse, everybody's opinion--but I thought the ones right beside of it\naged better than the ones they ----------(??) try to--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --to do it artificially.\n \nEDDINS: What I done is run these tubes in and out of these barrels.\nAnd I would turn, and we had them lined up, and would turn the heat\non certain times of day, and then, and it act like this unit they had\non the outside, it would, had to go through these, it pumped fluids\nthrough these coils.  And it would heat it up in the daytime, you know,\nand I'd run it through a heat cycle and a cold cycle.  I'd take it\ndown to maybe thirty-two degrees, back up to eighty degrees and that\ntype of stuff, and I was doing this daily. Okay? And, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6000.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I done this\nproject car-, well, I used it about six years, determine, trying to see\nwhat the outcome would be on it.  And I also took those same barrels,\nput right beside of it, put some on the fifth floor of K, and I took\nsome on up to the eighth floor of K. Well, starting off, first couple\nyears, boy, I've got something going here.  It's just tasting great.\nI'm aging it fast, you know.  So this should might be something will\nwork out for us.  At the, in the end of the experimental, this down\nhere I was aging daily, this up on the seventh or eighth floors aging\ntwice a day, because it was getting in the vacuum in the night and\npressure in daytime.  Okay, where I was doing this down here, pressure\none day and vacuum next day.  So I was getting twice a day on what I\nhad upstairs and once what I had downstairs.  And so that was a long\nexperimental that I learned a lot from.  We all did.  One of the things\nI could not believe, I had a vacuum on, on each barrel, too, tracking\nhow much vacuum or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6060.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pressure was in each barrel, and one thing I could\nnot believe, you know, is it'd be in the summertime, and all at once\nhere this big rainstorm's coming up outside.  And here I've got this\npressure in the barrel, be standing there looking at it, and within ten\nseconds I've created a vacuum.  And as the outside pressure--\n \nRIDDLE: Um-hm.\n \nEDDINS: --changed when the storm was coming up, the pressure was changing\ninside that barrel! And I couldn't believe that.  And the re-, here\nI am standing there looking at it, and the pressure's changing, and\nI caught that several times and got to watch it.  And the barometric\npressure was changing the pressure in my barrels.  And, and here I was\nforcing my barrels to take this pressure, you know.  But it was the--\nnature was still doing it, you know.  So, and then that throwed me all,\nthat throwed me for a loop, because now I know that it's happening in\nthem all (??) warehouses this.  So that I learnt from that experimental\nwhat's going on in those barrels in the warehouses as the weather\nchanges, too, now. So it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6120.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was, it was actually, it was very fascinating\nto go through all these experimentals and what you come up with.\n \nTROLAND: Both of you seem to think that the French oak aged experimental\nrelease was among the very best.\n \nRIDDLE: Um-hm.\n \nTROLAND: At some point in the past, a decision had to be made to buy\nthis very expensive barrel, or--\n \nEDDINS: Oh, yes.\n \nTROLAND: --perhaps several of them.\n \nEDDINS: Yes.\n \nTROLAND: Who, did either of you make that decision, or--?\n \nEDDINS: Well, I tell you that we had talked about this.  I tell you John\nBoswell, the guy from Independent Stave, he is the guy that we'd been\npurchasing our barrels from.  We had talked to him about this, this\nFrench oak.  Okay? And then he says, \"Okay, I will eat up part of that\ncost if you want to get that barrel and run an experiment.\" And so,\nanyway, and it wound up we agreed to go ahead and purchase this barrel\nfrom him.  And, and our plant manager back then was Mr.  Lee.\n \nRIDDLE: Um-hm.\n \nEDDINS: E.T. Lee. And Elmer agreed it's okay. If you want ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6180.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to do\nthat, go ahead.  And so we went ahead and bought the barrel and started\nexperimental (??), and, and I was real tickled the way it come out.\nBut I was disappointed with it for a long period of time, but it\ndidn't wind up I was--\n \nRIDDLE: Disappointed in the price of them.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: Of course, in the beginning I think what it was is Independent\nStave or Kentucky Cooperage was to, for the barrel, you know, the, the,\nthe French oak is, is, is used for a lot of wine barrels, wine casks.\nThat's what they--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: And I think that's, they come out of that with a lot -------\n---(??) because they're more expensive than a barrel.  I mean, you're\ntalking about, what, five, six hundred dollars maybe--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: --for one of them versus 120, 25 for one of ours.  You know,\nthat's--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: But--\n \nEDDINS: But, but we've hit in a lot of experimentals.  We've got\ndifferent types of woods.  I mean, not only the French oak, you know,\nbut we've got a lot of other different types, and we got--but we always\ncome on back down to the, to the white oak. That white oak is for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6240.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the\ndaily what people want and the quality of taste, the white oak seems to\nalways come back and fall in place.\n \nRIDDLE: Like I said, you can't fool Mother Nature.\n \nEDDINS: No.  That's where it's at.\n \nRIDDLE: (laughs) That's where it's all at.\n \nEDDINS: That's what I was speaking of a while ago where that storm come\nup.  There's Mother Nature doing its work for us, and we didn't utilize\nit, you know.\n \nRIDDLE: ----------(??)---------- Yeah.\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: If somebody were to ask you, for example, Leonard, what would\nyou like to be remembered by for your time here at Buffalo Trace? What\nis your, you feel your most important contribution or accomplishment to\nthe distillery's operation or the product? What, what might you say?\n \nRIDDLE: I never really thought of it.  (laughs) Never really thought\nof that.  I don't reckon I ever really thought about leaving, but\n(laughs)--\n \nEDDINS: (laughs) Going to wait until you get older?\n \nRIDDLE: At least Harlen's ----------(??).  You know, I don't--that's\nsort of a, that's a hard question.  I guess for, I want to be remembered\nwhere I tried, tried or did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6300.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"contribute to the company as far as your\nwork ethics, that, you know, that complete job, I guess you would say,\nnot wasted time.  I guess that would be what I'd want them to remember\nme by, you know, is, \"He did the best what he could while he was here,\nto the best of his knowledge\" or whatever, I guess you would say.\n \nTROLAND: What product of the distillery are you most proud of?\n \nRIDDLE: What, what?\n \nTROLAND: What product of the many different bourbons that the distillery\nproduces--\n \nRIDDLE: The one that I would say that I was the most proud of, or--\n \nTROLAND: The one that you personally might be most proud of.\n \nRIDDLE: I would have to say the, the Weller whiskey.  That's, that's,\nsince it came here, yeah, that's my, my favorite, yeah.  That's it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6360.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, see, we didn't have that product here for a long time, you know,\nsince I guess it was, what, '90?\n \nEDDINS: Uh--\n \nRIDDLE: Early nineties, maybe?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  We'd made some, but it--yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: When they bought the Stitzel-Weller?\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.\n \nRIDDLE: Yeah.  That, out of Louisville or whatever the product.  Yeah.\nWe made some of it here in the early nineties for Stitzel-Weller, I\nguess it was '91,'92?\n \nEDDINS: Ninety-one,'92.  Yes.\n \nRIDDLE: And then, of course, we ended up with most of their products\nhere.  And that's, that's when I got familiar, but that's, that's\nthe product that I--yeah.  W.L.  Weller.  That'd be my favorite.  Not\nsaying that the others are not good, but I, that's my--\n \nEDDINS: Yeah.  I think that we're, we make--all of our products are\ngood, you know.  Some of them are just better than others, so, you\nknow.  But it's according to your, like I say, according to your taste.\nBut yeah, I think, you know, that is, that is an outstanding product,\nI have to agree with you, you know, the Weller product we've got, the\nwheated whiskey. And, but, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6420.0,6480.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, I've always been kinda partial\nto the spicy, fruity taste, you know, and, and it's, that always falls\ninto the E.T.  Lees, Eagle Rares, and the, and the Buffalo Trace,\nyou know.  The Buffalo Trace is, I think is, is the very, very top\nquality of premium product.  Actually, for the, all of the work and\ntime, and the--I think it's probably the, the best, cheapest product\non the market for its quality, because we, there is a whole lot goes\ninto the Buffalo Trace experimental-wise, checking.  It is one of our\ntop premium products to be on the market and at a reasonable cost, you\nknow.  I think the people that buy it is very fortunate to be able to\nget that cheap, what I'm getting at (??). That ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988#t=6480.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://nunncenter.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1/collection_resources/7/file/110988/transcript/24503/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is something I'm very\nproud of, that we go out and--I know myself and--we go out and when\nit's picked this product out in advance, you know, and study it and\nwatch it before it goes, even before it goes to the lab to be sampled,\ntoo.  And so I guess I put a lot into that.  Of course, I guess I'm,\ngives me the room to be a little more proud of it, too, because it is\nsmooth and good too.\n \nTROLAND: So, when you go home at night and possibly pour yourself a, a\nshort bourbon, what brand do you typically pour?\n \nEDDINS: Well, that would, like I say, that would be the Buffalo Trace.\n \nTROLAND: Buffalo Trace.\n \nEDDINS: Um-hm.  Yeah.\n \nTROLAND: Someday, no doubt, in the future, there will be another history\nwritten about Buffalo Trace Distillery, as there was one written just a\nfew years ago.  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